Can it be said the canonical collection we have seems to contain Marcionite readings?RandyHelzerman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 2:01 pm As Iclapshaw and I were discussing on another thread, even in the Marcionite cannon, there is at least one pseudonymous letter II Thes., which itself warns against fake letters from Paul. At the very least, there were fake letters from Paul floating around when Marcion put his cannon together, and its not that much of a stretch to imagine that II Thes was added to an already pre-exiting canon, or even that there were alternate collections of Paul's letters which also had pseudonymous letters.
Another line of evidence is that Marcion's recension of Paul's letters does a remarkably bad job of supporting Marcion's theology. Critics from Tertullian on out have found plenty in it which they thought refuted Marcion, and they had a point. I interpret this as Marcion adopting a pre-existing letter collection, which was already revered enough that Marcion wouldn't make too many changes to it, since if he were making it all up he certainly could have done a better job of it.
Maybe even if there were earlier versions in the nascent orthodoxy they'd find it hard to impose what was being circulated around and used, this is what emerged. If it derived from Marcion's edition it makes the Paul corner of the church seem not 'in charge'. Cause there's plenty of early writings around that don't know anything Pauline, would be good to collect them up to see how they stack up against each other
EG The Preaching of Peter
Paul - missing, the 12 preach to the gentilesin the Preaching of Peter the Lord says: I chose out you twelve, judging you to be disciples worthy of me, whom the Lord willed, and thinking you faithful apostles; sending you unto the world to preach the Gospel to men throughout the world, that they should know that there is one God
Acts - don't know the epistles
Gospels - don't line up too well with the epistles
Revelation / James - seem anti-Pauline
Shepherd of Hermas - doesn't know Paul and this is big
Justin - seems not to know him