Zeus is the Jewish God.

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The people that primarily used the Hebrew language were the Merchants, so Greeks assumed the role of a Phoenician when they became a Merchant, It was Greeks, according to Herodotus who founded the Elephantine watch-post , Most cultures in Ancient times had two language, Egypt had Hieroglyphics & Hieratic for different purposes.
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In Hebrew, RGL (רגל) means Leg, however the word can mean feet or toes, so it specifically refers
to the Joints, which in Greek is ἄρθρον ( Arthron) , through interchanging R & L and TH and G
so RGL > RTHL > RTHR ( Arthritis )

The word 'ARM' (אָרַם) is exactly as it sounds, from ἁρμός (Armos) ' Joint' .

Qarcol (קַרְסֹל) ' Ankle'
Qarac (קָרַס) 'bend down'
Skelh (σκέλη) ' Leg'
Karg (כָּרַע) 'Bow down'
Darak (דָּרַךְ) 'arch down, archer' , Ark
Yarek (יָרֵך) 'thigh, side, loins
Xeir (χεὶρ ) 'hand
Kuptw (κύπτω) 'stoop down
Y'aqob (יַעֲקֹב) ' Heel ( Jacob)
Kaph (כַּף) Hand, Sole(of the foot), thigh-joint
Atsil (אַצִּיל) ' arm-joint
Zeruo (אֶזְרוֹעַ) 'Arm
Braxea (βράχεα) ' Arm, Shallow
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The overlooked element in the story of Jacob , is that his name means Joint/heel, thus cognates with Kuptw (κύπτω) 'stoop-down and
a motif that comes in mind, is Achilles' Heel , so the name Achilles is Atsil (אַצִּיל) and thus the stories have a common origin.
In Greek mythology, when Achilles was a baby, it was foretold that he would die young. To prevent his death, his mother Thetis took Achilles to the River Styx, which was supposed to offer powers of invulnerability, and dipped his body into the water; however, as Thetis held Achilles by the heel, his heel was not washed over by the water of the magical river. Achilles grew up to be a man of war who survived many great battles. One day, a poisonous arrow shot at him was lodged in his heel, killing him shortly afterwards.
Gen 25:26
And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob:

Zeus rescued the unborn Dionysus by sewing him into his thigh.

Dionysus is more relevant too the story of Jacob, since he is alternatively known as Bacchus, named for Beqaa Valley ( Lebanon) and
this was also known as Coele, meaning Hollow, usually a translation of Kaph (כַּף) which also means 'thigh-joint' , another cognate of Kuptw (κύπτω).
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There is a strange reading of Gen 25:20
- Syrian of Padan aram ( Syrian of Padan Syria)

הארמי מפדן ארם - E'Arm M'Prn Arm
τοῦ Σύρου ἐκ τῆς Μεσοποταμίας

* The(e) Syrians(Arm) from the(m) Mesopotamias (Pdn)

Gen 35:26
ב פדן ארם - B'Pdn Arm
ἐν Μεσοποταμίᾳ τῆς Συρίας

* Why is Paddan exclusive too the Book of Genesis?

The word as no confirmed root, the meaning is understood as a 'Plain' and thus can only
have come from Greek, πεδίον ( Pedion), never the less doesn't explain the identification
with Mesopotamia. however, how would the name Mesopotamia be rendered in Hebrew, '
this is a duel-word, Meso (middle) Potam (river).

2 Samuel 10:16
Syrians that were ' beyond the river' * מעבר הנהר

This is rendered ' πέραν τοῦ ποταμοῦ ' ( Paran-Potamos)

* Peran (περᾶν) ' beyond is a common translation of עבר and it's quite common
for Hebrew, R and D to be confused, so PDN can be PRN.

Genesis 24:10 - Mesopotamia, unto the city of Nahor.
- This is ארם נהרים ( Arm Nerim ) rendered as one word, Mesopotamia

The first part is ἁρμός ( Joint) and Nerim , the cognate would be ἀπορρόη ( Aporroh) 'flowing off, stream '
or ἀπορροῶν ( Aporrown) or ἄπο + ῥοών > Prn > Pdn (פדן).

So the word ARM PDN, ARM PRN and ARM NHR means 'Joining of Streams' .
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More and more goropism. What contortions. Contortions that show how distant Indo-European and Semitic are.

Appendix:List of Proto-Indo-European roots - Wiktionary, Appendix I - Indo-European Roots
Appendix:List of Proto-Semitic stems - Wiktionary, Appendix II - Semitic Roots

I was thinking of comparing some Indo-European and Semitic roots and some of their grammar, but I'd already done some of that in previous posts, and it is glaringly obvious that there isn't the sort of relation between Indo-European and Semitic that there is inside of Indo-European and inside of Semitic also.
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Greek & Hebrew Grammar near-identical by comparing the Septuagint and Hebrew text, word-order and usually the amount of words that are used to form a verse are the same.

Earth - ἔραζε ʼéreṣ
Father - Ἀββᾶ ʼab
Wine - Ϝοἶνον wayn
House - Ϝοἰκός -
Sun - σμάω šémeš
Milk - γάλα ḥālāḇ
Name - σῆμα šēm
Blood - αἷμα dām
Heart - κόλπον lēḇ
Bull - ταῦρος ṯawr
Camel - μέγᾶ μῆλον gāmāl
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Ethan wrote: Tue May 08, 2018 9:55 am Greek & Hebrew Grammar near-identical by comparing the Septuagint and Hebrew text, word-order and usually the amount of words that are used to form a verse are the same.
Did you count? Show us the numbers? Also work out the numbers for translation into English. For extra credit, do that for some other languages.

Also, that does not tell us *anything* about grammar. Like word order. Or prepositions vs. postpositions vs. noun cases. Or verb tense-aspect-mood constructions. Word order includes the likes of subject-verb-object, subject-object-verb, verb-subject-object, noun-adjective, adjective-noun, etc.

Doing a word list is irrelevant.

< Earth - ἔραζε ʼéreṣ >
Greek in LXX and NT: gê -- unrelated

< Father - Ἀββᾶ ʼab >
Usual Greek in LXX and NT: pater
"Abba" is a borrowing. Usual Greek and Hebrew unrelated

< Wine - Ϝοἶνον wayn >
Greek in LXX and NT: oinos, Hebrew yayin
(likely an early borrowing in Indo-European and maybe also Semitic)

< House - Ϝοἰκός - (bayit) >
Correct, though no relation

< Sun - σμάω šémeš >
Greek in LXX and NT: hêlios --unrelated

< Milk - γάλα ḥālāḇ >
Correct, though unrelated

< Name - σῆμα šēm >
Greek in LXX and NT: onoma -- unrelated

<Blood - αἷμα dām >
Correct, though unrelated

< Heart - κόλπον lēḇ >
Greek in LXX and NT: kardia -- unrelated

< Bull - ταῦρος ṯawr >
Hebrew shor -- likely an early borrowing into Indo-European

< Camel - μέγᾶ μῆλον gāmāl >
Greek kamêlos -- likely a borrowing from some Semitic language

Some of the Greek ones have plenty of cognates across Indo-Europeandom, like pater (father), hêlios (sun), gala (milk), onoma (name), and kardia (heart) -- these words are cognate between Greek and English, though with some sound changes.
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The Greek & Hebrew word for the SUN are words relating with 'Shine', but this word can be the Sun Shine, or the Shine you get after polishing or smearing something in oil. Note the similarity between שמן (shemen) & שֶׁמֶשׁ (Shemesh) with σμᾷ (Shma) "wipe" , this is the prefix of the word χρῖσμα (Chrishma) "wipe with the hand' . Helios, is similar too the word ἐλαιῶ (Elaiw) 'Oil' and the Hebrew word for 'Grease' (חֵלֶב).

Should note that the words for Wine & House in Greek, were originally written with a Digamma , Ϝοἰκός & Ϝοἶνον , In Latin , Ϝ
becomes V, Foikos becomes VIS, Foinon becomes VIN and Ϝ is the Phoenician VAV. Voik > Boik > Bik > Bit . The initial Digamma is
also dropped in the word הֵיכָל (heykal), the L is a terminal in this word. OIK'L (οἰκῶ-) i.e Temp'l

κόλπον (Kolpon) means 'Hollow' ( atrium of the heart), Arabic retains the K , they call it Qolbun . the root
meaning is 'hollow' but can be a hollow-anything, like a Bowl , Gol (גֹּל ) * H1531
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Goropism again.

Greek h- often corresponds to other Indo-European languages' s-. Like in "salt", "seven", "seat", "six", "son", "sun", etc. So Greek hêlios is Indo-European in origin, and cognate with other words for "sun", like the English word itself, German "Sonne", Latin "sol", Russian "solntse", Sanskrit "surya", etc.
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Words and Order

Psalms 4:5
-- θύσατε(זבחו ) θυσίαν(זבחי) δικαιοσύνης(צדק) καὶ(ו) ἐλπίσατε(בטחו) ἐπὶ(אל) κύριον(יהוה)

Ecclesiastes 1:12
-- ἐγὼ(אני ) Ἐκκλησιαστὴς(קהלת ) ἐγενόμην(הייתי ) βασιλεὺς(מלך ) ἐπὶ(על) Ισραηλ(ישראל) ἐν(ב) Ιερουσαλημ(ירושלם)

Ecclesiastes 3:8
-- καιρὸς(עת ) τοῦ(ל) φιλῆσαι(אהב) καὶ(ו) καιρὸς(עת) τοῦ(ל) μισῆσαι(שנא) καιρὸς(עת) πολέμου(מלחמה) καὶ(ו) καιρὸς(עת) εἰρήνης(שלום)
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