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A Marcionite reading of Romans 10?

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:02 am
by rgprice

11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? 15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news of good things!”

16 However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word about Christ.

18 But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have;

“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”

19 But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says,

“I will make you jealous by that which is not a nation,
By a nation without understanding will I anger you.”

20 And Isaiah is very bold and says,

“I was found by those who did not seek Me,
I became manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”

21 But as for Israel He says, “All the day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.”

Verse 14 has long been puzzling. What is the writer talking about? They seem to be saying that the Jews do not know God. Marcion claimed that the Jews were worshiping the lesser God and did not know the Highest God. Is that what this whole thing is talking about, using the Jewish scriptures as evidence? That also seems to be a hallmark of Marcion's approach, citing Jewish scripture against Judaism.

Or is there a better interpretation of these passages?

Re: A Marcionite reading of Romans 10?

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:40 am
by MrMacSon

15 How will they preach unless they are sent?

suggests they can no longer preach as they used to preach

Re: A Marcionite reading of Romans 10?

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:45 am
by MrMacSon
Even Romans 10:1-4

Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. 2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3 Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.


Re: A Marcionite reading of Romans 10?

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:17 am
by Irish1975
10:17b--

... ἡ δὲ ἀκοὴ διὰ ῥήματος Χριστοῦ/θεοῦ
"but hearing [comes] by the utterance of Christ/God"

Many or most manuscripts have "God" rather than "Christ." But even if "utterance of Christ" is the correct reading, it can hardly be "the word about Christ" as per the translation above. The Catholic scribe would have been speaking about Christ-The-Word-of-God encountered in Jewish scripture.

(Many modern translators of Romans seem eager to find traces of a historical Jesus.)

Re: A Marcionite reading of Romans 10?

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:53 am
by Irish1975
MrMacSon wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:45 am Even Romans 10:1-4

Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. 2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3 Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.

and Tertullian's witness of Apostolikon 10:3 has the Israelites ignorantes Deum (not knowing God)

Re: A Marcionite reading of Romans 10?

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:42 am
by Stuart
Irish1975 wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:53 am
MrMacSon wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:45 am Even Romans 10:1-4

Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. 2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3 Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.

and Tertullian's witness of Apostolikon 10:3 has the Israelites ignorantes Deum (not knowing God)
Correct understanding.

The rest of Chapter 10 is apparently absent from the Marcionite version, as was most of not all of chapter 11. In general almost half the text of the Pauline letters appears to have not been present in the ten letter form the Marcionites preserved.

I doubt the Marcionites had much opinion, beyond calling them the product of Judaizers (i.e., Christians who argued Jesus was the son of the Jewish God, seed of David, predicted in the Jewish Scriptures ... that is the Orthodoxy or Catholics which all modern Christianity descends). Asking for a Marcionite exegesis is a bit like asking a Presbyterian or Lutheran for their exegesis of the Mormon texts.