a balance sheet of my so-called research
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 9:08 am
| Richard Carrier's 10 indisputable facts | Where I stand (at the moment) |
FACT 0. Many counter-cultural Jewish sects were seeking hidden messages in scripture. | Obvious. |
FACT 1. Cephas (Peter), a member or leader of one of those sects, had “visions” telling him one of those messages was now fulfilled. | I don't know when this happened (since Paul, even if authentic, is not dated at all, I don't believe that the Aretas passage is genuine). |
FACT 2. That fellow influenced or inspired others to have or claim supporting visions. | obvious. |
FACT 3. They all died. | obvious. |
FACT 4. Then some later folks did what was done for all savior gods: they made up stories about their savior god to promote what was by then a lifetime of the accumulated teachings, dogmas, and beliefs of various movement leaders. | I think that this has been made before Marcion, by at least a monastic school, where both authors and readers were true experts of Midrash, Hebrew and gematria. The 99% of the fabricated midrashim had undated contexts. All apart two: one where "Pilate" was mentioned to make this midrashical point, and another where a "Herod" was mentioned to make the midrashical point that also Herod is "embarrassed" by the innocence of Jesus (the meaning of HRD in Hebrew; cfr Acts 25:20.). |
FACT 5. They all died. | obvious. |
FACT 6. Then some later folks started promoting those myths as historically true. | I think that Marcion was the first who selected from those myths the only episodes useful for his Evangelion, in addition to other episodes fabricated by himself (for example: the do-gooder Jesus who forgives the demons in Gerasa without punishing them shortly after, or the parable of new wine in new wineskins). So Marcion marks the passage from Gospel episodes considered only as midrash, and Gospel episodes read as 'historically true'. Obviously, the Pontic Marcion was too much ignorant in Hebrew to realize the irony behind the mention of 'Pilate' and 'Herod' (see fact 4 above). |
FACT 7. Those who protested that, were denounced as heretics and agents of Satan. | Obvious. I would add that even Marcion ostracized them, probably. |
FACT 8. They all died. | Obvious. |
FACT 9. Those who liked the new invented version of history won total political power and used it to destroy all the literature of those who had ever protested it. | Surely "Mark", "Matthew" and "John" and "Luke" liked the Marcion's promotion of those midrashical myths as 'history'. It can be proved that "Mark", "Matthew" and "John" and "Luke" were more experts of midrash than Marcion himself, even if chronologically they follow Marcion: the midrash is recognizable even in the birth stories of Luke. It is possible that "Mark", "Matthew" and "John" and "Luke" descended from the experts of midrash of the fact 4. |
All ten points are indisputable facts. Not theory. Facts. Documented. Undeniable. Facts. | Well.  |