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Re: Marcionites baptized in the name of Christ
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:32 am
by schillingklaus
Thomas lacks entirely an account of the feeeding miracles, the core event of the narrative gospels. It is therefore utterly useless as a source. And of course it is not lost as it occurs in NH and Oxirhynchos.
The thing assigned to Marcion is also a late derivative as its cena narrative constitutes an institution of the bread, which is a late interpolation into the whole gospel narrative, as is the equation of wine and blood. This excludes 'Marcion's' as a source, let alone a lost source in virtue of its fragmentary presence in the patristic writings.
Re: Marcionites baptized in the name of Christ
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:48 am
by mlinssen
schillingklaus wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:32 am
Thomas lacks entirely an account of the feeeding miracles, the core event of the narrative gospels. It is therefore utterly useless as a source. And of course it is not lost as it occurs in NH and Oxirhynchos.
The thing assigned to Marcion is also a late derivative as its cena narrative constitutes an institution of the bread, which is a late interpolation into the whole gospel narrative, as is the equation of wine and blood. This excludes 'Marcion's' as a source, let alone a lost source in virtue of its fragmentary presence in the patristic writings.
Ah, I finally understand: you have a solution and are now looking for a problem!
Good luck with that
Gosh, I never knew that a Q source was obliged to have the "feeding miracles" in it, or get disqualified otherwise. Geez, sometime should have told Thomas so he could have put it in!
"it occurs in NH and Oxirhynchos." - you have absolutely no idea about any of this, do you Klaus?
Re: Marcionites baptized in the name of Christ
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:04 am
by Giuseppe
Stuart wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 2:16 am This would constitute a unique and unparalleled and unique story development technique in only one place in Mark.
not an unique case. Klinghardt thinks that the episode of the blind of Bethsaida (
"I see men as trees walking") has been invented by Mark to work as the banal counterpart to the episode of the blind Bartimeus:
- Marcion has only the rapid healing of the blind called Bartimaeus
- Mark has added the delayed healing of the Mark's blind of Bethsaida, so proving that his is an expansion of the episode found in Marcion about Bartimaeus.
Note en passant how Mark is able to invent an entire new episode by deriving it from a previous apparently disconnected episode found in Marcion.
Re: Marcionites baptized in the name of Christ
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:15 am
by schillingklaus
The problems exist, but the M-threesome is blinder than Bartimaeus, thus unable to see them.
A mere gnomology,lacking the feeding miracles, can only be supplementary but not at the heart of the gospel story.