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My teacher I R M Boid said there were Samaritan Sadducees. A "Sadducee" wasn't a "Jewish" society but an Israelite one.Are you saying that the Sadducees endorsed the view that the Samaritans rather than the Jews were responsible for the Pentateuch?
The Dositheans (a Samaritan group) according to Boid objected to the construction of permanent structures. They had their altar in the meadow across from Bethel where Jacob saw God descend from the heavens. This (objection to religious permanent structures) understanding Boid says, influenced early Christianity. There is nothing in the Pentateuch about permanent religious structures. The instructions for making religious structures are limited to impermanent moveable ones. Perhaps this explains why the temples appear so late at Shechem and Jerusalem.I don't know if I understand where you are coming from here. Are you saying the Samaritans endorsed the construction of the Tabernacle as a temporary abode for the deity -- and were trying to forbid the construction of a temple by this command for a temporary tent?
No this.And is all of the above based on what you conclude from Israel not being the same as Judah?
Another attempt:"Israel was divided into two kingdoms: the Northern Kingdom with her capital in Samaria and the Southern Kingdom." https://books.google.com/books?id=KPU_z ... an&f=false
Why then is the city of Shechem the first place in Canaan mentioned (in Abraham's journey)? If Abram followed the traditional caravan route, he would have seen and perhaps visited many towns and cities, including Damascus, Hazor, Megiddo, and others. Even as a household traveling with flocks of sheep and goats, they would have had to stop to graze their animals, seek permission for the use of pasturage or plowed fields, and they would have encountered other peoples along their route of travel. But it is significant that Shechem (Tell Balatah) appears first. Shechem (about forty miles north of Jerusalem) has a long history of settled existence, including as a major urban site during the Middle Bronze III period (ca. 1650–1500 bce), and as an Egyptian administrative center during the Amarna period (ca. 1400–1300 bce). Its primary importance for Israelite history comes during the monarchy period (1 Kgs 12:1, 25) when it serves as an administrative and cultic center for the northern kingdom of Israel until the Assyrian conquest in 721 bce. In later periods, Shechem is associated with the Samaritans https://books.google.com/books?id=fzRtD ... 22&f=false
"Israel" does not appear in Yonge's English translation. It looks like a reference to Philo's "man seeing God" thing or particularly "the offspring of the seeing Israel." The fourth reference in Philo is a Biblical citation.ἐᾷ μὲν γὰρ τὸν ὀλοθρεύοντα ‑ ὄλεθρος δὲ ψυχῆς ἐστιν ἡ τροπή ‑ εἰσελθεῖν εἰς τὴν ψυχήν, ἵνα τὸ ἴδιον ἐνδείξηται τοῦ γενητοῦ· οὐκ ἀφήσει δὲ ὁ θεὸς τὸν τοῦ ὁρῶντος ἔγγονον Ἰσραὴλ οὕτως τραπῆναι, ὥστε πληγῆναι ὑπὸ τῆς τροπῆς, ἀλλὰ ἀναδραμεῖν καὶ ἀνακῦψαι [35] ὥσπερ ἐκ βυθοῦ καὶ ἀνασωθῆναι βιάσεται
Secret Alias wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:49 pm There is history: "Israel" = the land around Shechem.
There is literature: where "Israel" is the land around Shechem.
How do the Jews/Judah fit into this understanding?
It makes no difference. The point is that Sadducees (whoever they were) said the Samaritans were responsible for the Pentateuch, yes?Secret Alias wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:15 pmMy teacher I R M Boid said there were Samaritan Sadducees. A "Sadducee" wasn't a "Jewish" society but an Israelite one.Are you saying that the Sadducees endorsed the view that the Samaritans rather than the Jews were responsible for the Pentateuch?
Can you be clear? Are you saying that the Pentateuch in essence forbade the building of a temple?Secret Alias wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:18 pmThe Dositheans (a Samaritan group) according to Boid objected to the construction of permanent structures. They had their altar in the meadow across from Bethel where Jacob saw God descend from the heavens. This (objection to religious permanent structures) understanding Boid says, influenced early Christianity. There is nothing in the Pentateuch about permanent religious structures. The instructions for making religious structures are limited to impermanent moveable ones. Perhaps this explains why the temples appear so late at Shechem and Jerusalem.I don't know if I understand where you are coming from here. Are you saying the Samaritans endorsed the construction of the Tabernacle as a temporary abode for the deity -- and were trying to forbid the construction of a temple by this command for a temporary tent?
Omg, don't go back to your silly games, SA. Yes, we all know that Israel referred to the northern lands and Judah to the southern ones. I have never disputed that -- except in your own imagination. I have even repeated that fundamental fact to assure you of my view but you don't seem to take any notice of what you don't want to believe.Secret Alias wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:26 pmNo this.And is all of the above based on what you conclude from Israel not being the same as Judah?
"Israel" referred to the northern lands. "Judah" was the name of the southern lands.
The Pentateuch's instructions are for flimsy impermanent structures. Some groups objected to permanent buildings.Can you be clear? Are you saying that the Pentateuch in essence forbade the building of a temple?