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Re: Plato and the Pentateuch

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:56 am
by Secret Alias
Imagine hundreds if not thousands of Jews and proselytes making a big deal about the translation of the LXX in THE MOST PUBLIC site in Alexandria EVERY YEAR for 300 years.

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How can it possibly be argued that all these people over 300 years celebrating a translation were wrong?

Re: Plato and the Pentateuch

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:29 am
by Secret Alias
Here is a scholar who calculated back for the 8th of Tevet, assumed to be the date of the festival, to get more details of the translation and the festival:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Th ... frontcover

Re: Plato and the Pentateuch

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:32 pm
by ABuddhist
Secret Alias wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:56 am Imagine hundreds if not thousands of Jews and proselytes making a big deal about the translation of the LXX in THE MOST PUBLIC site in Alexandria EVERY YEAR for 300 years.

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How can it possibly be argued that all these people over 300 years celebrating a translation were wrong?
By that logic, the god Osiris must have really been born and ruled over Egypt. After all, millions of Egyptians over thousands of years celebrated his birth, death, and deeds during various festivals.

Re: Plato and the Pentateuch

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:34 pm
by ABuddhist
Secret Alias wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:13 am Are you suggesting the festival of the translation of the Seventy at Pharos as described in Life of Moses was a hallucination on Philo's part? That he "imagined" the whole thing? Sheesh.
No. I am suggesting that he was reporting a not-true stoy which he erroneously thought to be true.

Re: Plato and the Pentateuch

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:35 pm
by ABuddhist
Secret Alias wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:15 am
Consider evidence which, if true, would contradict your views.
This is proof for the LXX as a translation. It is explicit and Philo saw the event. It was in the most public place in Alexandria. Everyone saw it. Not just Philo. Unless of course Philo was lying or hallucinating. Some hypothesis.
If philo had seen the Pentateuch being translated from Hebrew into Greek, then he would have either been hundreds of years old or hallucinating, yes.

Re: Plato and the Pentateuch

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:36 pm
by Secret Alias
A story that was universally known, universally attested to. The point is that it can't be argued that the Letter of Aristeas "misinformed" its readers and was responsible for the "misinformation." The only explanation now was the Jewish community actively promoting misinformation FROM THE BEGINNING. That Jews are "naturally dishonest" is an anti-Semitic trope.

Re: Plato and the Pentateuch

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:37 pm
by Secret Alias
If philo had seen the Pentateuch being translated from Hebrew into Greek, then he would have either been hundreds of years old or hallucinating, yes.
So by that standard of historical truth historical truth can't be known as once events happen they essentially become unknowable.

Re: Plato and the Pentateuch

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:38 pm
by ABuddhist
Secret Alias wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:15 am
Consider evidence which, if true, would contradict your views.
This is proof for the LXX as a translation. It is explicit and Philo saw the event. It was in the most public place in Alexandria. Everyone saw it. Not just Philo. Unless of course Philo was lying or hallucinating. Some hypothesis.
If you are referring to the festival, I have already pointed out that festivals can be based upon fictional events which communities believe to be true. Furthermore, the festival is not evidence whih, if true, would contradict your views.

Re: Plato and the Pentateuch

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:41 pm
by ABuddhist
Secret Alias wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:36 pm A story that was universally known, universally attested to. The point is that it can't be argued that the Letter of Aristeas "misinformed" its readers and was responsible for the "misinformation." The only explanation now was the Jewish community actively promoting misinformation FROM THE BEGINNING. That Jews are "naturally dishonest" is an anti-Semitic trope.
And that the Jews of today are not the Jews from the pentateuch is also an antisemitic trope. Besides, if you were to read Gmirkin, you would larn that he does not claim that all jews misled people about their scriptures' orgins; rather the Jewish laders, motivated by Platonic ideals, misled both their Jewish subjects and non Jews in the hopes of creating a better Jewish society.

Re: Plato and the Pentateuch

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:10 pm
by Secret Alias
I see. So it can't be that Jews were telling the truth. Why not? Why can't the Jews be telling the truth? Like when they count 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust and they build Holocaust Memorials and develop PR campaigns can Jews be believed or does the last word go to "independent researchers" who aren't Jewish, because "you know the way the Jews are"? Someone wrote a book on the subject I think, Von den Jüden und iren Lügen.