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Posted: **Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:30 am**

I was pleasantly surprised to find mention of the gospel of John in regard to dealing with the synoptic problem. The synoptic problem has never been a particular interest of mine. It was attempting to find a place, within the synoptic gospels, for the 15th year of Tiberius gospel in Marcion's possession, that I found the gospel of John to be important. Placing the gospel of John as the primary gospel allows the development of the Jesus and Pilate story to be followed.

So, I'll be keeping a lookout for scholarly developments in this regard.

.............we are convinced that the way forward involves the development of new means of presenting the arguments, assessing the evidence both old and new, and creating scenarios that account for the ways in which the Gospels are related to one another. Some recent scholarship has hinted that discussion of John’s Gospel (usually excluded from treatment of the Synoptic Problem) in relation to the other Gospels may offer a next stage in any continuing examination of the issues, in an attempt to provide an inclusive view of the relations among all the Gospels. We do not know what form any new developments will take, but we are firm in our belief that such progressive discussions are necessary—not merely to provide convincing arguments for others but also to provide more sophisticated and developed arguments that will push the discussion forward.

The Synoptic Problem (pp. 177-178). Baker Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

The Synoptic Problem: Four Views Kindle Edition
by Stanley E. Porter (Editor), Bryan R. Dyer (Editor)

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Posted: **Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:38 am**

I recently came across this website referencing two text from Matthew and Luke that appear to relate to the gospel of John:

All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. (Matt 11.27)

All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. (Luke 10.22)

It is immediately apparent why this looks rather Johannine. First, the Father and Son are talked of in absolute terms, rather than the more usual Synoptic was of Jesus talking about ‘my’ Father or ‘our’ Father; secondly, the mutual knowledge of the Father and Son uniquely of each other, which sounds similar to ‘the Son only does what he see the Father doing’ in John 5.19; and the sovereignty of both in revelation, which sounds similar to John 6.44.

https://www.psephizo.com/biblical-studi ... c-gospels/

The article goes on the mention that Mark Goodacre gave a paper that argued that these two verses do not suggest the priority of John over Matthew and Luke. Would be interested to read more about Goodacre's arguments on why the above two verses do not suggest priority of the gospel of John.

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