Missing Endings

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Even if it's argued that God rather than Jesus made his body disappear it means that God gave Jesus's body supernatural ability. Once can be twice. Once can also be a characteristic.
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Secret Alias wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:46 am What do you think the empty tomb signified?
That "he is not here" and "he is risen," which is what the text says.
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Part of what led to this post was reading this on a moderated Facebook group:

I recently removed two different polls that were asking opinions about whether Mark originally had a long ending, lost it somehow (?!!), and then got it back. I cut that nonsense in bud. That is NOT how textual criticism works. You have the chance to learn this from someone who is formally trained in this field. The earliest copies simply have the short ending. There is no debate about this among textual scholars. Scott Bignell was whining that I was being a bulldozer pushing my opinions by removing his post. Mr. Wenske's similar post was also removed by me. Why? Because we are NOT going to argue established facts here.

This made me remember Streeter. So his Q is fine, but his lost ending of Mark is beyond the pale?

For some reason here he refers only to the idea that 16:9-20 is original, not the idea that the ending is just missing. Not inspiring for a so-called "trained" expert on "established facts."
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The business about being "raised" is part of Jesus's prediction all along the way to Jerusalem. The disappearance is more significant. It isn't mentioned. Unless it comes as proof that he was the messiah from his own pointing to Daniel before his crucifixion.
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Where did they idea that Jesus was the messiah come along? He never says so. Unless the disappearance from the empty tomb proved it via Daniel the only explicit mention of the Messiah in the Jewish writings.
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The reason we never see appeals to Daniel 9:26 is Marcion. Church Father were uncomfortable with appeals to Jesus's body being supernatural especially as proof texts for his very messiahhood!
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But why does even Jewish and pagan anti-Christian literature reference the empty tomb? It was a central proof of Jesus's messiahood.
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Daniel 9:26 in the Septuagint:

“and after sixty-two weeks the anointed one shall be put to death, and there is no judgment in him; and then the people, with their leader, that shall come shall destroy both the city and the temple; and his end shall come like a flood; and unto the end of the war desolation are determined.”

καὶ μετὰ τὰς ἑβδομάδας τὰς ἑξηκονταδύο ἐξολοθρευθήσεται χρῖσμα, καὶ κρίμα οὐκ ἔστιν ἐν αὐτῷ· καὶ τὴν πόλιν καὶ τὸ ἅγιον διαφθερεῖ σὺν τῷ ἡγουμένῳ τῷ ἐρχομένῳ καὶ ἐκκοπήσονται ἐν κατακλυσμῷ, καὶ ἕως τέλους πολέμου συντετμημένου τάξει ἀφανισμοῖς.

What is the relevance of Daniel 9:26 to the empty tomb?
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No one including Marcion used the LXX of Daniel?
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Secret Alias wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:09 am No one including Marcion used the LXX of Daniel?
Is that your claim?
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