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Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:00 pm
by outhouse
Clive wrote: What is so threatening by suggesting there is more than one? Why is Paul not consistent for example - Christ Jesus, Lord Jesus Christ, Christ.....

It is not threatening.

It is absurdly ignorant.


A man was martyred at Passover after being put to death by Romans, and not long after that death people wrote about him. This is historical as the man has historicity.

Not one enemy of the movement discredited his historicity, nor claimed they followed two deities or a compilation of deities.


More then one is modern trash, plain and simple.

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:06 pm
by outhouse
Clive wrote: Why is Paul not consistent for example - Christ Jesus, Lord Jesus Christ, Christ.....

He is consistent. You just do not understand the context of ancient writing.

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:11 pm
by MrMacSon
outhouse wrote: Not one enemy of the movement discredited his historicity, nor claimed they followed two deities or a compilation of deities.
Not one contemporary mentions him;

History is written [later] by the victors.

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:22 pm
by outhouse
MrMacSon wrote: Not one contemporary mentions him;

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Not needed thanks for playing.

But we do have Paul writing within a few years after his death and he was a contemporary source.

Some of what ended up in Gmark could have also existed right after death originating from contemporary sources.


Because people often did not sign documents from this period and place means little. Either does the fact that we only have a small fraction of what once existed.

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8265.html

This has the skinny in all directions. None of which you can refute.

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:24 pm
by outhouse
How much writing do we possess from Aramaic Galilean villages between 1 CE and 50 CE ?????????

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:25 pm
by MrMacSon
outhouse wrote: But we do have Paul writing within a few years after his death and he was a contemporary source.{/quote]
That is unsubstantiated assertion.
outhouse wrote: Some of what ended up in Gmark could have also existed right after death originating from "contemporary sources".
"could have also existed" LOL

May have "also existed" for a century or two, too.

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:26 pm
by MrMacSon
gf

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:29 pm
by MrMacSon
outhouse wrote:How much writing do we possess from Aramaic Galilean villages between 1 CE and 50 CE ?????????
How do we know any originated from Galilean villages or via the Aramaic language??

Anything in Aramaic might just be be translated or transliterated from elsewhere.

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:29 pm
by outhouse
MrMacSon wrote: "could have also existed"

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Laugh all you want, it was a compilation put together roughly 70 CE from pre exiting sources. Some written and oral traditions.


The passion likely goes back before Paul.

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:31 pm
by MrMacSon
outhouse wrote:
MrMacSon wrote: "could have also existed"
Laugh all you want, it was a compilation put together roughly 70 CE from pre-exiting sources. Some written and oral traditions.
Mere bare, unverified assertion.