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Ken Olson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:36 am

lclapshaw wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:44 am I have to assume that you are being purposely obtuse as no one can possibly be as dense as you pretend to be and still be able to read and write in English.

That may be a wee bit polemical. The point is verifiable . You can check the Hebrew English interlinear text on Biblehub, which shows the Hebrew word מְשִׁיחֽוֹ׃ (Messiah, translated 'Anointed' there).

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/psalms/2.htm

Then look at the Septuagint online for Psalm 2:

https://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/manu ... omSlider=0

This shows that the Greek nomen sacrum χυ with overline is being used to translate the Hebrew מְשִׁיחֽוֹ׃. You could contest that the nomen sacrum is abbreaviating Christos (that would seem pointless, but you could), but it is clear that the nomen sacrum is rendering the Hebrew word מְשִׁיחֽוֹ׃, 'Anointed'.

Best,

Ken

lclapshaw wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:44 am

GakuseiDon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:34 pmI'm trusting the blueletterbible.org website, as per the link I gave. The transliteration of the equivalent word in the Hebrew Scriptures is "māšîaḥ", according to the same website.

I have no knowledge of any of the ancient languages involved. But if you have any input that suggests otherwise, I'd love to read it!

I have to assume that you are being purposely obtuse as no one can possibly be as dense as you pretend to be and still be able to read and write in English.

lclapshaw wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:23 am What I was asking for however was the earliest copy of this quote.

"Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine new things? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against His Anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast their yoke from us. He that dwelleth in the heavens shall laugh at them, and the Lord shall have them in derision"

I would like to consult the original Greek.

lclapshaw wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:23 am What I was asking for however was the earliest copy of this quote.

"Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine new things? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against His Anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast their yoke from us. He that dwelleth in the heavens shall laugh at them, and the Lord shall have them in derision"

I would like to consult the original Greek.

Leucius Charinus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:42 pm

lclapshaw wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:23 am What I was asking for however was the earliest copy of this quote.

"Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine new things? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against His Anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast their yoke from us. He that dwelleth in the heavens shall laugh at them, and the Lord shall have them in derision"

I would like to consult the original Greek.

I don't think its in P.Oxy. 5129 (4th century) - the next copy is ms. Paris graecus 450, written in 1364 CE

https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/201 ... in-martyr/

lclapshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 8:28 am

Leucius Charinus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:42 pm

lclapshaw wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:23 am What I was asking for however was the earliest copy of this quote.

"Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine new things? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against His Anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast their yoke from us. He that dwelleth in the heavens shall laugh at them, and the Lord shall have them in derision"

I would like to consult the original Greek.

I don't think its in P.Oxy. 5129 (4th century) - the next copy is ms. Paris graecus 450, written in 1364 CE

https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/201 ... in-martyr/

It's a shame that P.Oxy. 5129 doesn't have any nomina sacra. That's really what we are trying to find out.

Leucius Charinus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 5:19 pm

lclapshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 8:28 am

Leucius Charinus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:42 pm

lclapshaw wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:23 am What I was asking for however was the earliest copy of this quote.

"Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine new things? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against His Anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast their yoke from us. He that dwelleth in the heavens shall laugh at them, and the Lord shall have them in derision"

I would like to consult the original Greek.

I don't think its in P.Oxy. 5129 (4th century) - the next copy is ms. Paris graecus 450, written in 1364 CE

https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/201 ... in-martyr/

It's a shame that P.Oxy. 5129 doesn't have any nomina sacra. That's really what we are trying to find out.

P.Oxy 5129 is too short to contain the above quote but it may contain nomina sacra. I can't find a transcription or image of it to confirm one way or another.

lclapshaw wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:59 am

Leucius Charinus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 5:19 pm
P.Oxy 5129 is too short to contain the above quote but it may contain nomina sacra. I can't find a transcription or image of it to confirm one way or another.

Isn't this it? http://www.papyrology.ox.ac.uk/gsdl/col ... .hires.jpg