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Interesting, b/c I was just looking at Westar's twitter feed, and they have thisMattMorales wrote:I definitely think this view has merit. Recall Gospel of Thomas saying 15: Simon Peter says to him, "You are like a righteous angel."
I will start a new thread on this ...."We are getting started this morning with our public lecture by Hal Taussig, A New New Testament (#NewNT) #sblaar14"
a few tweets later -
"When did Christians first start collecting documents? We don't know, but Q & Thomas represent the simplest possible form. #NewNT"
Ehrman looked at the original and says -andrewcriddle wrote:One of the issues is whether ln Galatians 4:14 angel of God means messenger of God or (IMO less likely) heavenly being like Michael or Gabriel. Andrew Criddle
Garrett compares both modern and biblical accounts of angels to Christology, emphasizing how the New Testament uses angelmorphic language to describe Christ but at the same time asserts Christ's superiority to angels. . . . She describes angelic encounters as culturally conditioned experiences of divine immanence. . . . Recommended."—J. Gresham, Choice
Accepting (at least FTSOA) Ehrman's grammatical claim;MrMacSon wrote:Ehrman looked at the original and says -andrewcriddle wrote:One of the issues is whether ln Galatians 4:14 angel of God means messenger of God or (IMO less likely) heavenly being like Michael or Gabriel. Andrew Criddle
Christ as an Angel in Paul
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"In the context of the verse [Gal 4:14], Paul is reminding the Galatians of how they first received him when he was ill in their midst and they helped restore him to health ... 'Even though my bodily condition was a test for you, you did not mock or despise me, but you received me as an angel of God, as Jesus Christ.'
"I had always read the verse to say that the Galatians had received Paul in his infirm state the way they would have received an angelic visitor, or even Christ himself. In fact, however, the grammar of the Greek suggests something quite different. As Charles Gieschen has argued, and has now been affirmed in a book on Christ as an angel by New Testament specialist Susan Garrett*, the verse is not saying that the Galatians received Paul as an angel or as Christ; it is saying that they received him as they would an angel, such as Christ. By clear implication, then, Christ is an angel."
Ehrman, Bart D. (2014-03-25). How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee (pp. 252-253). HarperCollins. Kindle Edition.
Were angels interchanged with Christ/s, at some period of time, in some communities or sects; as proxies (or messengers) of God?
* Susan R. Garrett (2008) No Ordinary Angel: Celestial Spirits and Christian Claims about Jesus Yale University Press. ISBN: 9780300140958
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"it is saying that they received him as they would an angel, such as Christ"
Literally the Greek word angel means messenger.MrMacSon wrote:I think the word is angelo. As Ehrman says ..."it is saying that they received him as they would an angel, such as Christ"
I think Andrew makes a fair point. Does Ehrman deal with why the translation should be rendered as "angel" and not "messenger"?andrewcriddle wrote:Literally the Greek word angel means messenger.MrMacSon wrote:I think the word is angelo. As Ehrman says ..."it is saying that they received him as they would an angel, such as Christ"
It is used by Jews and Christians to refer to heavenly beings who act as God's messengers, but also used to refer to messengers more broadly.
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.htmlMattMorales wrote:I definitely think this view has merit. Recall Gospel of Thomas saying 15: Simon Peter says to him, "You are like a righteous angel."