Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

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Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

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In English we don't have the noun "refuger."
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Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

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It doesn't mean someone who releases prisoners from bondage but to provide refuge or asylum. Two different shades of meaning.
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As a refugee I can find deliverance in America but that doesn't make America the one who released my from prison in my home country
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Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

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Psalm 18:48:
He delivereth me from mine enemies yea thou liftest me up above those that rise up against me thou hast delivered me from the violent man

It doesn't mean: "he provides a refuge from my enemies".

The difference is not a real difference. The context decides if the sense is 'deliverer', the more cold 'releaser', or 'giver of a refuge'.
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If you're not interested in engaging with a language with sincerity there is no point debating. Equating refuge with deliverance is a common Biblical theme.
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Have you studied Hebrew exegesis of 2 Samuel 22? That's how real scholarship is carried out.
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It doesn't mean to unshackle a prisoner. Never.
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Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

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Are you saying that PALAT is never used in contexts where it means 'to deliver' ?


Are you denying that Pilate wanted "to provide a refuge" to Jesus, but he ended "to provide a refuge" to Barabbas?

How do you explain this point:

NASB Translation
calves (1), carries it off (1), deliver (5), delivered (4), deliverer (5), delivers (3), escape (1), preserve (2), rescue (3).

Are those 5 translations where PALAT means 'deliverer' completely wrong, according to you?
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Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

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You just keep copy and pasting a third rate source. A better case can be made from the LXX but then you don't get your desired etymology.
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Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

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Case in point the Targum: וַאְמַר יְיָ תֻקפִי וְרֻחצָנִי וֻמשֵיזֵיב יָתִי לי
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