Blasphemy!

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The heritage of blasphemy laws means that 99% of Christians are basically unaware that there are scholars who contend that Jesus Christ was a fictional invented character. When Christian believers are confronted with mythicist views, their response tends to be shock, disbelief, contempt, pity, scorn, mockery, rejection, etc. It remains very difficult to have a sensible public discussion of these topics because of the intimidating heritage of Christian views on heresy and blasphemy.
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Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

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Clive wrote:
outhouse wrote:I have never seen such a barbaric insane and embarrassing theology with more holes then a spaghetti strainer. The level of fanaticism and fundamentalism is embarrassing humanity.

Its not hard to be caught on their radar of hatred telling the truth here. One cannot tell real history to any of them due to the required literalism by all.


They follow a pedophile plagiarist who could only spread his message with blood and violence. The writings so primitive, some make very little sense on their best day.


Their people the most primitive on the planet, with the highest illiteracy rates out of any religious group. Their barbaric treatment of women is appalling.

Freedom to them means the freedom to have forced beliefs and traditions, and many do not have the intellect allah gave to a crowbar, murdering each other as their number one cause of death.

Talking anything but their pseudo history is like talking to a wall, only if you talked to wall it would be more productive because you could convince yourself to stop at some point, wont happen talking to a muslim on reality.


Add to this due to their poor intellect and fanaticism, they breed the highest amount of terrorist on the planet.


Should I tell you how I really feel?

Islam refuted in a few sentences.

Why is there not one credible historian in the world that uses the Koran for any aspect of Israelite or Jesus history? Because people in reality don't use plagiarized mythology to try and recreate history.
Not sure where that came from or what caused it, but it does contain some impressive rhetoric!

One does not have to go too many centuries back through history when the same rhetoric could be justifiably used against Christianity.

The problem with both Christianity and Islam is they think their own "Sacred Codex" is legit and everyone else's is fabricated.


My understanding is that sort of vent doesn't actually help and I would instead commend this approach

http://maryamnamazie.com/index.html
I agree.



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A "cobbler of fables" [Augustine]; "Leucius is the disciple of the devil" [Decretum Gelasianum]; and his books "should be utterly swept away and burned" [Pope Leo I]; they are the "source and mother of all heresy" [Photius]
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Robert Tulip wrote:The heritage of blasphemy laws means that 99% of Christians are basically unaware that there are scholars who contend that Jesus Christ was a fictional invented character. When Christian believers are confronted with mythicist views, their response tends to be shock, disbelief, contempt, pity, scorn, mockery, rejection, etc. It remains very difficult to have a sensible public discussion of these topics because of the intimidating heritage of Christian views on heresy and blasphemy.
I think it needs to be pointed out that the same church organisation that "suddenly found" the Tacitus manuscript, and the Pliny manuscript was at the time conducting a savage inquisition where people were being executed every other day.


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andrewbos wrote:
outhouse wrote:[] who could only spread his message with blood and violence. The writings so primitive, some make very little sense on their best day.
Perhaps this is partly true, I have not seriously studied their sacred books. However outside of the tantric-mystic writings of Q1 and parts of Mark and parts of the Pauline epistles, most of the writings of the other authors of the christian so-called New Testament are also rather primitive and quite useless when it comes to spiritual practice.
Sorry wrong religion, put another quarter in the machine and try again
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andrewbos wrote: the tantric-mystic teachings .
WTF is this BS?

Why label it that way?
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Leucius Charinus wrote:So it appears to me that the hypothetical existence of a "Divine Institute" (even it includes "St Paul") for you is a loaded question.

How would you describe the "Apostolic Age"?
You're no Socrates. Shit or get off the pot.
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andrewbos wrote:You are right, the tantric-mystic teachings of the original mission (study them in their original form, you'll be surprised) have nothing to do with christianity or in fact with any religion.
What about asceticism?
The Jesus of Q1 attacks narrow-minded sectarian religion.
As do many texts within the Nag Hammadi Codices.
That's why it is highly unlikely that christians created Q1 (and related texts) themselves.
And does this, in your opinion, include the Gospel of Thomas?



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A "cobbler of fables" [Augustine]; "Leucius is the disciple of the devil" [Decretum Gelasianum]; and his books "should be utterly swept away and burned" [Pope Leo I]; they are the "source and mother of all heresy" [Photius]
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Peter Kirby wrote:
Leucius Charinus wrote:So it appears to me that the hypothetical existence of a "Divine Institute" (even it includes "St Paul") for you is a loaded question.

How would you describe the "Apostolic Age"?
You're no Socrates. Shit or get off the pot.
I can only surmise that you are ignoring (and ridiculing) my questions (about your world view) because they have no merit in your world-view. It's quite obvious that the Apologists still believe in the existence of some "Divine Institute" whereas other less traditional positions (such as that of Thomas Brodie) relegate this church organisation to some sort of literary "school". The shit is already in the world and has been for over one and half millenia. It was raised from an obscure latrine and hit the political fan in the 4th century and has remained stuck to everything ever since.



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A "cobbler of fables" [Augustine]; "Leucius is the disciple of the devil" [Decretum Gelasianum]; and his books "should be utterly swept away and burned" [Pope Leo I]; they are the "source and mother of all heresy" [Photius]
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