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Re: Why the Empty Tomb is Not A Mystery About Jesus' Body
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:37 am
by outhouse
PhilosopherJay wrote:
The tomb being empty of Jesus' body is simply explained by the fact that his disciples moved the body.
No.
That is your personal opinion.
As mine is, it was a rhetorical literary creation. There never was a tomb. But if your going to compete with the Emperors divinity as "son of god" you had better have a dignified burial similar to what a person worthy of worship would have.
Reality dictates the explanation is unknown.
Re: Why the Empty Tomb is Not A Mystery About Jesus' Body
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:00 pm
by Charles Wilson
outhouse wrote: There never was a tomb. But if your going to compete with the Emperors divinity as "son of god" you had better have a dignified burial similar to what a person worthy of worship would have.
Suetonius,
12 Caesars, "Otho":
"When
he at last woke up at about daylight, he stabbed himself with a single stroke under the left breast; and now concealing the wound, and now showing it to those who rushed in at his first groan,
he breathed his last and was hastily buried (for such were his orders) in the thirty-eighth year of his age and on the ninety-fifth day of his reign."
Plutarch,
Life of Otho:
"
They buried the remains of Otho, and made a tomb for them which neither by the great size of its mound nor by the boastfulness of its inscription could awaken jealousy. I saw it when I was at Brixillum.
It is a modest memorial and the inscription on it, in translation, runs thus: "To the memory of Marcus Otho." "
There was a tomb. It may have been empty. After Otho dies, there is a rush to see Verginius Rufus and give Imperial Honors to him (again...). He refuses and sneaks out the side door. The Puzzle of the "Empty tomb"? Oh, yes.
Reality dictates the explanation is unknown.
"Reality" does not dictate a thing. Our language tells us what that Reality may exhibit. Otho is a Key to understanding the "Empty Tomb". Remember, it was Otho who was last given Allegiance by Vespasian. Vitellius was hated by the Flavians and he suffers the consequences. Otho dies at dawn and the Story of the Empty Tomb may find its beginnings here.
CW
Re: Osiris' empty tomb found in Egypt - 500-700 BCE
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:02 pm
by perseusomega9
clear as mud
Re: Osiris' empty tomb found in Egypt - 500-700 BCE
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:36 pm
by Charles Wilson
perseusomega9 wrote:clear as mud
John 19: 34 (RSV):
[34] But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and at once there came out blood and water.
Bedriacum and the Po river.
"What's not to understand?"
Re: Osiris' empty tomb found in Egypt - 500-700 BCE
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:05 pm
by perseusomega9
exactly
Re: Why the Empty Tomb is Not A Mystery About Jesus' Body
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:50 pm
by outhouse
Charles Wilson wrote:
Otho is a Key to understanding the "Empty Tomb".
CW
Nonsense.
Early in the morning he stabbed himself in the heart with a dagger, which he had concealed under his pillow, and died as his attendants entered the tent.
Otho's ashes were placed within a modest monument. He had reigned only three months. His funeral was celebrated at once, as he had wished. A plain tomb was erected in his honour at Brixellum, with the simple inscription Diis Manibus Marci Othonis.