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Cerdo/Kerdo/Kerdon

Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 10:44 pm
by MrMacSon
From Refutation of al Heresies book 7:
(M David Litwa's book version)


36.3 ... The Holy Spirit through the Revelation of John mocked his [Nikolaos's +/- others'] disciples and exposed them as “fornicators and eaters of meat sacrificed to idols”.199

37. 1. A certain Kerdon likewise took his starting points from these people, as well as from Simon.200 He says that the god proclaimed by Moses and the prophets is not the Father of Jesus Christ. This is because the God proclaimed by Moses can be known, whereas the Father of Christ is unknown. The former is just, while the latter is good. 2. Markion radicalized this dogma when he ventured his Antitheses and everything else he thought would impugn the Artificer of all things.201 Loukianos his disciple taught the same.202



199 cf. Rev 2:14–15; 2:6; Epiph., Pan. 25.3.1; Eusebios, Hist. eccl. 3.29.1.
200 The report on Kerdon is an abbreviation of Iren., Haer. 1.27.1–2a (= Eusebios, Hist. eccl. 4.11.2).b cf. Tert., Adv. Marc. 1.2,e 23; Epiph., Pan. 41.1.1–9;d Ps.-Tert., Adv. omn. haer. 6.6;c Filastrius, Haer. 44;d Ref. 7.10 (table of contents); Theodoret, Haer. fab. 1.24 (PG 83:372–73, 376). See further Gerhard May, “Markion und der Gnostiker Kerdon,” in Greschat and Meiser, Gesammelte Aufsätze, 63–74 (68–69). “These people” (τούτων) seems to refer to the “the school of the gnostics, Kerinthos, and Ebion” mentioned in Ref. 7.35.1. Irenaeus says that Kerdon took his starting points from the followers of Simon (Haer. 1.27.1).a
201 Our author mentions Markion again here because this is where Irenaeus places him. It makes sense that Markion radicalized Kerdon if Kerdon taught a good and just god, while Markion taught a good versus an evil god.
202 For 'Loukianos', see Ref. 7.11 (table of contents); Tert., Res. 2; Ps.-Tert., Adv. omn. haer. 6.3;c (Lucan(?) Filastrius, Haer. 56; Origen, Cels. 2.27; Epiph., Pan. 43.1.1. See further Lampe, Paul to Valentinus, 416.



a Irenaeus Haer. 1.27.12,4:


1. Cerdo was one who took his system from the followers of Simon, and came to live at Rome in the time of Hyginus, who held the ninth place in the episcopal succession from the apostles downwards. He taught that the God proclaimed by the law and the prophets was not the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the former was known, but the latter unknown; while the one also was righteous, but the other benevolent.

2. Marcion of Pontus succeeded him, and developed his doctrine. In so doing, he advanced the most daring blasphemy against Him who is proclaimed as God by the law and the prophets, declaring Him to be the author of evils, to take delight in war, to be infirm of purpose, and even to be contrary to Himself. But Jesus being derived from that father who is above the God that made the world, and coming into Judæa in the times of Pontius Pilate the governor, who was the procurator of Tiberius Cæsar, was manifested in the form of a man to those who were in Judæa, abolishing the prophets and the law, and all the works of that God who made the world, whom also he calls Cosmocrator. Besides this, he mutilates the Gospel which is according to Luke, removing all that is written respecting the generation of the Lord, and setting aside a great deal of the teaching of the Lord, in which the Lord is recorded as most dearly confessing that the Maker of this universe is His Father. He likewise persuaded his disciples that he himself was more worthy of credit than are those apostles who have handed down the Gospel to us ...

4. But since this man is the only one who has dared openly to mutilate the Scriptures, and unblushingly above all others to inveigh against God, I purpose specially to refute him, convicting him out of his own writings; and, with the help of God, I shall overthrow him out of those discourses of the Lord and the apostles, which are of authority with him, and of which he makes use. At present, however, I have simply been led to mention him, that you might know that all those who in any way corrupt the truth, and injuriously affect the preaching of the Church, are the disciples and successors of Simon Magus of Samaria. Although they do not confess the name of their master, in order all the more to seduce others, yet they do teach his doctrines. They set forth, indeed, the name of Christ Jesus as a sort of lure, but in various ways they introduce the impieties of Simon; and thus they destroy multitudes, wickedly disseminating their own doctrines by the use of a good name, and, through means of its sweetness and beauty, extending to their hearers the bitter and malignant poison of the serpent, the great author of apostasy [Revelation 12:9].

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103127.htm


Cerdo also gets a mention in Irenaeus' Adv. Haers. 3.4.3"
3. For, prior to Valentinus, those who follow Valentinus had no existence; nor did those from Marcion exist before Marcion; nor, in short, had any of those malignant-minded people, whom I have above enumerated, any being previous to the initiators and inventors of their perversity. For Valentinus came to Rome in the time of Hyginus, flourished under Pius, and remained until Anicetus. Cerdon, too, Marcion's predecessor, himself arrived in the time of Hyginus, who was the ninth bishop. Coming frequently into the Church, and making public confession, he thus remained, one time teaching in secret, and then again making public confession; but at last, having been denounced for corrupt teaching, he was excommunicated from the assembly of the brethren. Marcion, then, succeeding him, flourished under Anicetus, who held the tenth place of the episcopate. But the rest, who are called Gnostics, take rise from Menander, Simon's disciple, as I have shown; and each one of them appeared to be both the father and the high priest of that doctrine into which he has been initiated. But all these (the Marcosians) broke out into their apostasy much later, even during the intermediate period of the Church.
b Eusebios, Hist. eccl. 4.11.1,2,3:


1. For Valentinus came to Rome under Hyginus, flourished under Pius, and remained until Anicetus. Cerdon also, Marcion's predecessor, entered the Church in the time of Hyginus, the ninth bishop, and made confession, and continued in this way, now teaching in secret, now making confession again, and now denounced for corrupt doctrine and withdrawing from the assembly of the brethren.

2. These words are found in the third book of the work Against Heresies. And again in the first book he speaks as follows concerning Cerdon: "A certain Cerdon, who had taken his system from the followers of Simon, and had come to Rome under Hyginus, the ninth in the episcopal succession from the apostles, taught that the God proclaimed by the law and prophets was not the father of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the former was known, but the latter unknown; and the former was just, but the latter good. Marcion of Pontus succeeded Cerdon and developed his doctrine, uttering shameless blasphemies."

3. The same Irenæus unfolds with the greatest vigor the unfathomable abyss of Valentinus' errors in regard to matter, and reveals his wickedness, secret and hidden like a serpent lurking in its nest.

4. And in addition to these men he says that there was also another that lived in that age, Marcus by name, who was remarkably skilled in magic arts. And he describes also their unholy initiations and their abominable mysteries in the following words:

5. "For some of them prepare a nuptial couch and perform a mystic rite with certain forms of expression addressed to those who are being initiated, and they say that it is a spiritual marriage which is celebrated by them, after the likeness of the marriages above. But others lead them to water, and while they baptize them they repeat the following words: Into the name of the unknown father of the universe, into truth, the mother of all things, into the one that descended upon Jesus. Others repeat Hebrew names in order the better to confound those who are being initiated."

6. ... In Alexandria Marcus was appointed pastor, after Eumenes had filled the office thirteen years in all. And Marcus having died after holding office ten years was succeeded by Celadion ...

8. But Justin was especially prominent in those days. In the guise of a philosopher he preached the divine word, and contended for the faith in his writings. He wrote also a work against Marcion, in which he states that the latter was alive at the time he wrote.

9. He speaks as follows: "And there is a certain Marcion of Pontus, who is even now still teaching his followers to think that there is some other God greater than the Creator. And by the aid of the demons he has persuaded many of every race of men to utter blasphemy, and to deny that the maker of this universe is the father of Christ, and to confess that some other, greater than he, was the creator. And all who followed them are, as we have said, called Christians, just as the name of philosophy is given to philosophers, although they may have no doctrines in common."

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/250104.htm




c Ps.-Tert. Adversus Omnes Haereses 5-6:
(I'm not sure if '6.6' above is correct(?))


Chapter V (Marcus and Colarbasus)

[1] After these there were not wanting a Marcus and a Colarbasus, composing a novel heresy out of the Greek alphabet. For they affirm that without those letters truth cannot be found; nay more, that in those letters the whole plenitude and perfection of truth is comprised; for this was why Christ said, "I am the Alpha and the Omega." [2] In fact, they say that Jesus Christ descended, that is, that the dove came down on Jesus; and, since the dove is styled by the Greek name peristera/-(peristera), it has in itself this number DCCCI. These men run through their W, Y, X F U, T -through the whole alphabet, indeed, up to A and B-and compute ogdoads and decads. So we may grant it useless and idle to recount all their trifles. [3] What, however, must be allowed not merely vain, but likewise dangerous, is this: they feign a second God, beside the Creator; they affirm that Christ was not in the substance of flesh; they say there is to be no resurrection of the flesh.


Chapter VI (Cerdo, Marcion, Lucan, Apelles)

[1] To this is added one Cerdo. He introduces two first causes, that is, two Gods-one good, the other cruel: the good being the superior; the latter, the cruel one, being the creator of the world. He repudiates the prophecies and the Law; renounces God the Creator; maintains that Christ who came was the Son of the superior God; affirms that He was not in the substance of flesh; states Him to have been only in a phantasmal shape, to have not really suffered, but undergone a quasi-passion, and not to have been born of a virgin, nay, really not to have been born at all. A resurrection of the soul merely does he approve, denying that of the body. The Gospel of Luke alone, and that not entire, does he receive. Of the Apostle Paul he takes neither all the epistles, nor in their integrity. The Acts of the Apostles and the Apocalypse he rejects as false.

[2] After him emerged a disciple of his, one Marcion by name, a native of Pontus, son of a bishop, excommunicated because of a rape committed on a certain virgin. He, starting from the fact that it is said, "Every good tree bears good fruit, but an evil evil," attempted to approve the heresy of Cerdo; so that his assertions are identical with those of the former heretic before him.

[3] After him arose one 'Lucan' by name, a follower and disciple of Marcion. He, too, wading through the same kinds of blasphemy, teaches the same as Marcion and Cerdo had taught.

[4] Close on their heels follows Apelles, a disciple of Marcion, who after lapsing, into his own carnality, was severed from Marcion. He introduces one God in the infinite upper regions, and states that He made many powers and angels; beside Him, withal, another Virtue, which he affirms to be called Lord, but represents as an angel. By him he will have it appear that the world was originated in imitation of a superior world. With this lower world he mingled throughout (a principle of) repentance, because he had not made it so perfectly as that superior world had been originated. The Law and the prophets he repudiates. [5] Christ he neither, like Marcion, affirms to have been in a phantasmal shape, nor yet in substance of a true body, as the Gospel teaches; but says, because He descended from the upper regions, that in the course of His descent He wove together for Himself a starry and airy flesh; and, in His resurrection, restored, in the course of His ascent, to the several individual elements whatever had been borrowed in His descent: and thus-the several parts of His body dispersed-He reinstated in heaven His spirit only. [6] This man denies the resurrection of the flesh. He uses, too, one only apostle; but that is Marcion's, that is, a mutilated one. He teaches the salvation of souls alone. He has, besides, private but extraordinary lections of his own, which he calls "Manifestations of one Philumene, a girl whom he follows as a prophetess. He has, besides, his own books, which he has entitled books of Syllogisms, in which he seeks to prove that whatever Moses has written about God is not true, but is false.

https://www.tertullian.org/anf/anf03/an ... 13_3180099


d According to Wikipedia, Filastrius/Philaster (Haer. 44) and Epiphanius (Haer. 41) make use of Ps.-Tert., Adv. omn. haer. for their accounts of Cerdo.

Re: Cerdo/Kerdo/Kerdon

Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 11:06 pm
by MrMacSon
e Tertullian Against Marcion 1.2


The heretic of Pontus introduces two Gods, like the twin Symplegades of his own shipwreck: One whom it was impossible to deny, ie. our Creator; and one whom he will never be able to prove, ie. his own god. The unhappy man gained the first idea of his conceit from the simple passage of our Lord's saying, which has reference to human beings and not divine ones, wherein He disposes of those examples of a good tree and a corrupt one; how that, "the good tree brings not forth corrupt fruit, neither the corrupt tree good fruit."

... he found the Creator declaring, "I am He that creates evil" [Isaiah 45:7] ...

He had, moreover, in one Cerdon an abettor of this blasphemy — a circumstance which made them the more readily think that they saw most clearly their two gods,* blind though they were; for, in truth, they had not seen the one God with soundness of faith. To men of diseased vision even one lamp looks like many. One of his gods, therefore, whom he was obliged to acknowledge, he destroyed by defaming his attributes in the matter of evil; the other, whom he laboured so hard to devise, he constructed, laying his foundation in the principle of good. In what articles he arranged these natures, we show by our own refutations of them.

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/03121.htm (see also chapter 23)


* lol, the accusation is that they saw two gods because there were two of them

(see also Adv. Marcion III.21: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/03123.htm)

Re: Cerdo/Kerdo/Kerdon

Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 10:29 am
by RandyHelzerman
Markion radicalized this dogma when he ventured his Antitheses and everything else he thought would impugn the Artificer of all things.201 Loukianos his disciple taught the same.202
Marcion and Loukianos---the original Mark and Luke?

Re: Cerdo/Kerdo/Kerdon

Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 11:17 pm
by davidmartin
>Marcion and Loukianos---the original Mark and Luke?

orthodoxy is the combining of previous sects that were quite distinct then?

i still think Roger Parvus theory that draws interesting parallels with John's gospel and Apelles is worth remembering. It could explain how John managed to get accepted maybe

Re: Cerdo/Kerdo/Kerdon

Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 1:40 am
by MrMacSon
RandyHelzerman wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 10:29 am
Markion radicalized this dogma when he ventured his Antitheses and everything else he thought would impugn the Artificer of all things.201 Loukianos his disciple taught the same.202
Marcion and Loukianos---the original Mark and Luke?
I wonder if the names were co-opted, eg. by Irenaeus.
(I think orthodoxy subsumed a lot of non-orthodox names, eg. 'Simon' [who became Peter])

Re: Cerdo/Kerdo/Kerdon

Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 1:40 am
by MrMacSon
A 10-11 minute video about Cerdo : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMNI19d ... DavidLitwa
The text is a transcript of most of it.



He was said to be Marcion's teacher. He has been called a gnostic, successor to Simon of Samaria and Menander of Antioch.

He has been depicted as a leader of his own school of thought.

Some might infer that he was the first Christian to be excommunicated from the Roman Church.

He taught, reportedly, in secret. A fact which might explain the varying reports about what he taught.

He taught in Rome earlier than the establishment of the institutional church, the papacy, the confessions and the creeds.

His name was Cerdo/Kerdo; a name which literally means gain or prophet.

Who was he? What did he actually teach? For more information keep watching.
~~~a very brief interlude~~~
The main sources for Kerdo are Irenaeus; the author of Refutation of All Heresies [‘the Refutator’], pseudo-Tertullian, Epiphanius and Filaster.

Justin Martyr, Clement and Origen do not mention Kerdo, although, assuming they [Clement & Origen] read Irenaeus, they did in fact know him.

The earliest and best source for Kerdo remains Irenaeus, about 180 of the Common Era.

The Refutator depends on Irenaeus but invents details about Kerdo's philosophical background and teaching. Pseudo-Tertullian, Epiphanius and Filaster all depend on a common tradition which attributes the supposed teaching of Marcion back to Kerdo, such that Kerdo becomes a docetist, a denier of the fleshly resurrection, a curtailer of Luke and even a rejector of the book of Acts and Revelation

Most heresiology agree that Marcion's thought underwent some kind of development in Rome; a development that took place under the influence of a man named Kerdo.

Justin Martyr never mentions Kerdo …

Irenaeus…tried to connect him to the Simonians, as he did all his opponents.

Irenaeus dates Kerdo to the time of Hyginus which is the late 130s.

It is Epiphanius who claims that Kerdo was from Syria and intellectually linked with the Syrian theologian, Saturninus.

Yet, perhaps Epiphanius only inferred Kerdo's homeland because he connected him to Simon and his claimed student Menander who resided in Antioch of Syria

What was Cero's theology or view of God?

Irenaeus reports that, according to Kerdo, the god having been proclaimed by The Law and the prophets is not the father of Jesus Christ, for the one God is known but the other God is unknown.

4:01
The one God is just but the other one is good.

This comment, I believe, can be traced back to a saying of Jesus according to which he declares that no one knows the Father except the son. This is in Marcion's gospel 10, verse 22.

If no one knew the father except Jesus, then the Father is first revealed in Jesus's teaching.

This is also a Johannine idea: that no one has ever seen God but that Jesus as Logos made him known.

All who came before Jesus are thieves and brigands.

No one saw the Father before they saw Jesus, but when they saw Jesus they saw the Father.

By contrast, the so-called god of the Hebrew Bible seems to have been visible to several of his prophets: Isaiah saw him frontally and Moses beheld his backside.

As to the distinction between a just God of the law and a good Father of Jesus, this seems to have been Kerdo's own deduction.

He may quite well have been original. We would like to know how he made this deduction.

It might have been his own reading of the Hebrew Bible, where the Judean Lord is constantly portrayed as righteous, jealous to protect his own honor and paying back the sins of people to the extent of punishing their great grandchildren.

In later tradition, Kerdo’s teaching is adjusted so that the Judean Lord becomes evil.

Yet this was probably a projection of Marcion's theology back onto his supposed teacher, which was an increasingly strong tendency in heresiology.

In fact, heresiologists like Pseudo-Tertullian, Epiphanius and Filaster, perhaps depending on a common tradition, attribute a host of Marcion's teachings back to Kerdo.

The author of the Refutation of All Heresies says that Kerdo was influenced by the philosophy of Empedocles and that he taught, in addition to a good [god] and [an] evil god, a third principle: namely Matter.

But these data arise from the persistent attempt to portray so-called heretics as philosophers who create schools rather than churches.

These later heresiologists are also dealing with later Marcionites who are beginning to vary their teaching.

All that we can reliably know about Kerdo’s thought comes from Irenaeus.

Its basic thrust is that the good, formerly-unknown god of Jesus is different from Yaho or Yahweh, the righteous and well-recognized Lord of Judea.

Irenaeus interestingly portrays Kerdo as coming back and forth into the fellowship of the incipient catholic church network in Rome

Kerdo would, according to Irenaeus, publicly confess that he agreed with the majority views, apparently, that the Hebrew God was just, but some people would persistently accuse Kerdo of privately teaching unacceptable things: things unacceptable to the early catholic faith, that is.

After what may have been several months or years of Kerdo making confession and being accused, Irenaeus says that Kerdo, quote, refrain from the gathering of godly people, unquote.
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Kerdo is portrayed as Marcion's teacher to be sure, but Marcion, when he came to Rome, was already a mature man not looking for instruction.

There is nothing implausible, however, about Marcion associating with Kerdo in Rome and learning from him.

Irenaeus indicates that what Kerdo taught in secret, Marcion proclaimed openly.

There may be some truth to this, and, if so, it would indicate that the teaching methods of Kerdo and Marcion were not the same.

Kerdo's secret teaching indicates that he designed deeper instruction for higher initiates in his group. It does not indicate that Kerdo led only a school as opposed to a church movement: churches were also places of instruction, and, if Marcion was influenced by Kerdo, they may have belonged to the same house church movement.

But ultimately Marcion's teaching was different from Kerdos ... He agreed that there was a distinction between the god of Jesus and the Judean Lord, Yahweh, yet he came to the conclusion that the Judean Lord's justice was only a cover for his evil character.

<continues a little more>

Re: Cerdo/Kerdo/Kerdon

Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 4:56 am
by rgprice
RandyHelzerman wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 10:29 am
Markion radicalized this dogma when he ventured his Antitheses and everything else he thought would impugn the Artificer of all things.201 Loukianos his disciple taught the same.202
Marcion and Loukianos---the original Mark and Luke?
Indeed. Recall that these names appear together in the Pauline letters of Colossians and Philemon. Colossians is widely acknowledged as having come from a different pen than the so-called original Pauline letters. Philemon is often considered one of the originals, but I have no idea why. Indeed some scholars argue Philemon was originally a part of Ephesians/Laodiceans, the other "sister letter" to Colossians. It makes sense to me that Colossians and Laodiceans-Philemon were produced together and added to Galatians, Corinthians, Romans, Philippians and Thessalonians when the first Pauline letter collection was assembled, and that these names were included as references to "Marcion and Loukianos", who were the publishers of the Pauline letter collection.

That doesn't mean they were the originators of all the material, but that they were the ones that produced the collection. It is at least a possibility to consider.