Did the Gospel originally fulfill a psychological role similar to the movie Fight Club?

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Did the Gospel originally fulfill a psychological role similar to the movie Fight Club?

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If you read the Gospel solely in terms of, “how would a young guy in the first century treat this story”, I feel like the closest modern equivalent would be the movie Fight Club. Maybe the Gospel served a similar social-psychological function, and this explains the growth of the religion.
  • Follows a charismatic leader with simple wisdom who critiques society and who draws men in from different occupations and lifestyles.
  • The reader of the Gospel gradually learns that the importance of Christ is “spirit” and new life from above, that the Kingdom is “within”. In Fight Club, the charismatic protagonist is revealed to be a figment of the imagination, an imagined hero.
  • The forming of one Group Body in which the members no longer have a name.
  • The valorization of the death of a man, in both cases a group of “male disciples” elevate his name after death.
  • An element of Christ as a “secret persona” who escapes authorities, which seems to be added purely for dramatic effect, mirrors the plot of Fight Club.
  • Young guys disillusioned with ritualism of lifestyle and rigidity of bosses / rabbis.
  • The forming of different “chapters”, mirroring the growth of different small churches.
  • Mortifying the flesh as a group bonding experience and method of personal growth.
  • Attending churches in secret, with a secret “antisocial” component (consuming the body and blood of Christ).
  • Just as the Apostles were probably early teens to early 20s, it is likely many of the early Christians were also in this age group. This is the target audience of Fight Club.
  • Secret meetings instituted by the leader: “Behold, when you have entered the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him into the house that he enters and tell the master of the house, ‘The Teacher says to you, Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ And he will show you a large upper room furnished; prepare it there.”
The significance of this is that early Christianity could have proliferated and flourished in large part because it was fun and exciting for young men. There could have been an element of what we today would call “fun” and “vibes”. Rather than the theological developments being the main draw, the main draw could have been the interesting and exciting lifestyle and status that Christianity offered. There does seem to be a way of reading the Gospel where the protagonist (Christ) is antisocial and rebellious. He fashions a whip and “cleanses the temple”; he stands up in the middle of a synagogue and criticizes everyone before escaping; he speaks in riddles which demand interpretation. The first century was a very rebellious time for Jews and we can easily imagine Christianity drawing in young rebels who were disillusioned with mainstream Jewish society whose rigid hierarchies prevented the pursuit of status.
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The first rule of the Marcan secrecy club is that you don't talk about the Marcan secrecy club.
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I think that's massive presentism. The analogy sounds more like how a young guy in the 21st century (perhaps in the Bible Belt or somewhere equivalent) would treat this story by seeking out local Christian groups, their "Pastors" and various bible study groups as an adolescent social and psychological experiment.

According to the received history/tradition the interesting and exciting lifestyle and status that Christianity offered included being thrown to the lions in the coliseum and other acts of martyrdom.
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Re: Did the Gospel originally fulfill a psychological role similar to the movie Fight Club?

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Leucius Charinus wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:00 pm
I think if you had passing familiarity with group sociology and religious psychology you wouldn’t be as confused by the parallel. There are studies on how extremist groups recruit and motivate young men despite membership coming at great cost. One of the factors is psychological fulfillment, the other is existential interest, yet another is a “purified” moral worldview. Fight Club is a fictitious example (fiction can tell us about our own psychology) but there’s no shortage of religious examples we have from the Middle East, where young men join a charismatic leader at great social cost including poverty, torture, and death.

So when Jesus says, “leave for house and family for my name’s sake to receive a hundredfold and inherit eternal life”, when he says to sell your belongings and follow me, when he says that love is to “lay down one’s life for his friends”, we can interpret this in light of “the received tradition of” social science, which is somewhat more objective than the highly edited writings of the early Christians. The early Christians who would circle dance, who would prophecy, who would imagine they are speaking in foreign languages conveyed by God for deciphering, who would cast our demons… do I really need to say how these would interest a first century Jewish man? Indeed, such things interested first century Greek men, who would join mystery cults which fulfilled similar psychological functions.

You are surprised that young men might join a social group at risk of torturous demise, but this is just what so many revolutionaries in the Roman Empire did, including Jews in the first century. And why? Well, status and gain. But there is status and gain to be had from a religious group that is high trust and likely high fertility. Re: “lions”, do you not know that many Christians practiced secretly? That many recanted at risk of martyrdom, or fled? Do you think they marketed themselves as a way to die by lions?
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Re: Did the Gospel originally fulfill a psychological role similar to the movie Fight Club?

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allegoria wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 4:22 am
I have not seen the movie and responded from reading through your dot points. I can accept that people may have traditionally joined mystery cults and that these fulfilled certain psychological functions and/or served an ancient traditional rite of passage. I can also accept to some extent that modern examples of the radicalisation of young people may apply to the ancient world.

Rulers also use group sociology and religious psychology and are often good at marketing. (Or their armies are). For example, if the Roman emperor Constantine did not support and sponsor the cult then in all likelihood would Christianity (today) be an extinct religion?
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Well, as to whether or not Gospel and Fight Club are similar, LC, who has not responded to comment that he does not follow his announced methodology, instead contributed here:
consider Constantine!
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