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Mark Goodacre said that Mark's gospel was written in the 70s CE or the 80s CE or the 90s CE. So when? It's a short text - 3 hours of reading. *Ev is an even shorter text - 2 hours of reading. Knowledge and emotions about the destruction of the Temple may have come, like knowledge about Jesus, from Josephus' books. We know of no evidence of the existence of any Paul's letters before 100 CE. From the beginning of the second century to this day, we all from Marcion to Jarek use the collection that appeared after 100 CE.

JarekS wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 5:11 am *Ev is an even shorter text - 2 hours of reading.

a further reason for *Ev's priority over Mark.

I have included a Venn diagram for the Synoptic Gospels. This is proof that the gospels were written together. Perhaps on the same editorial team as Boismard's diagram suggests. Klinghardt introduced a separate and exclusive author for *Ev. I don't think he's right.

Giuseppe wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:05 amIf Jesus was mentioned only by Josephus and never by the Christians (before Josephus), then yes, there is an abyssal silence.

If Jesus was mentioned not even by Josephus but only by Christians, then yes, there is an abyssal silence (since even a tiny Lilliputian rebel as Theudas was mentioned by Josephus).

An unexpected silence is predicated on expectations of noise. But what 'noise' is expected with regards to a historical Jesus? Not the Gospel Jesus obviously. If we look at non-Gospel texts, then we see descriptions like "emptied himself/made himself of no reputation", "humble-minded", "came as a servant". What would constitute an unexpected silence for that sort of historical Jesus? That's what needs to be answered when the question of an unexpected silence is brought up. Unfortunately it seems to me that mythicists can't divorce the idea of a historical Jesus from the Gospel Jesus.

GakuseiDon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 1:58 pm If we look at non-Gospel texts, then we see descriptions like "emptied himself/made himself of no reputation", "humble-minded", "came as a servant". What would constitute an unexpected silence for that sort of historical Jesus?

in those verses it is described the action of a demigod descended "in form of men", not of a human being. It can't be compared to the Sign Prophets of Josephus.