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The Galilee was introduced by Marcionites against Jerusalem

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:13 am
by Giuseppe
  • In the Gospel of Peter the entire Passion and Resurrection happens exclusively in Jerusalem. Never out of it.
  • Jerusalem-centrism is the DNA of the Judaizers (cfr Galatians 1 and 2).
  • Therefore the Galilee was introduced by Marcionites (probably by *Ev).

Re: Galilee

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:26 am
by MrMacSon
Galilee was a focus in the Tanakh

Isaiah 8.23 - 9.6 and Ezekiel 47.1-12 depict Galilee 'of the Gentiles' as specifically appointed to receive salvation in the messianic age and, further, as a land which will be one of the first to experience God's deliverance.
  • Isaiah 8.23 - 9.6 proclaims that the light of the messianic day will disperse the shadow of death lying over the ''Galilee of the Gentiles".
  • Isaiah 8.23 and Joel 4.4 indicate Galilee was a Gentile land which conspired with other Gentile lands against Judah.
    • Joel 4.4 and 1 Maccabee 5.15 also use the term 'Galilee of the Gentiles,' and 1 Macc 5.21 reports than Simon Maccabaeus did battle with Gentiles who lived in Galilee.
  • Ezekiel 47.1-12 outlines how the prophet beholds a river issuing from under the threshold of the house of the Lord in Jerusalem. It is a river with trees of healing upon its banks, and it gives life wherever it courses. It flows towards Galilee (v. 8) Fishers standing upon its banks are to catch a great multitude of fish (v. 10).
    • Mark 1.17, with its call to Simon and Andrew in Galilee to become fishers of men, may well be based on Ezekiel 47.10.
The Passion is a transition point at which Jesus ceases to be king of the Jews and begins to be Lord of the Gentiles (see Mark 12.1-12). Then Mark 14.28 and 16.7 point to resurrection appearances of Jesus in Galilee, to be followed by a word-wide proclamation of the gospel to the Gentiles [in Galilee].

Re: Galilee

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:33 am
by MrMacSon
So, how much does Marcion's *Ev refer to Galilee and how does that compare to the Tanakh and Markan references to the region?

Re: The Sea of Galilee

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:37 am
by MrMacSon
Luke mentions the lake known as the Sea of Galilee by name only once. In 5:1-11, his version of the calling of the disciples (parallel to Mark 1:16-20), he calls it by its standard name, the lake of Genneseret. In four other instances, he calls it “the lake”.

Matthew follows Mark in calling it the Sea of Galilee. In fact, he refers to the “sea” (thalassa) eleven times to Mark’s seven.

Re: The Galilee was introduced by Marcionites against Jerusalem

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:03 am
by Giuseppe
Galilee was famous as the place of the Zealot resistance.

The provenance of the disciples from there was part and parcel of the Marcionite denigration of the disciples.

Isaiah 8.23 - 9.6 is midrash designed to rehabilitate the Galilee and by logical extension the disciples.

Re: The Galilee was introduced by Marcionites against Jerusalem

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:08 am
by MrMacSon
Giuseppe wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:03 am Galilee was famous as the place of the Zealot resistance.
  • beyond Judas the Galilean?

Giuseppe wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:03 am Isaiah 8.23 - 9.6 is midrash designed to rehabilitate the Galilee and by logical extension the disciples.
  • I presume you mean, "and by logical extension [used to habilitate] the disciples."

Giuseppe wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:03 am The provenance of the disciples from there was part and parcel of the Marcionite denigration of the disciples.
  • I don't follow

Re: The Galilee was introduced by Marcionites against Jerusalem

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:25 am
by Giuseppe
The disciples were denigrated, as presumed witnesses of the real Jesus, only in *Ev, with relative influence on Mark.

But in the original gospels (think about the Gospel of Peter an an abstract example), the disciples were not denigrated (Judas being even absent as betrayer).