Priority of anything is a bad idea.

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JarekS
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Priority of anything is a bad idea.

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All my posts have described what I will give in bullet points.

1. Marcion was the first leader of orthodoxy to combine content based on revelation with myths about the historical Jesus.

2. *Ev was the first product of the synoptic team.

3. Luke/Acts was the last product of the team to include the text of John.

4. The conflict erupted after Marcion's death - a fight for the legacy, a power struggle between the claimants.

5. The theological background of the conflict is only propaganda.
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Re: Priority of anything is a bad idea.

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JarekS titled this thread "Priority of anything is a bad idea"
and then wrote that "*Ev was the first product of the synoptic team."

One of the meanings of "prior" is "first."
Bad idea?
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Re: Priority of anything is a bad idea.

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Probably Jarek means to say that *Ev is the oldest known gospel, while it is impossible to find what was the earliest gospel in absolute terms.
For two reasons:
  • a such earliest gospel is lost
  • there was not even an earliest gospel, but only episodes written by different hands of a scriptorium. *Ev was the first coherent collection of these episodes according to a some order (essentially, the order expected by descent, ministry and death/ascension).
It makes sense. But the priority of *Ev in terms of knowledge implies justly, as pointed out by Britt & Wingo, that the earliest lost gospel was anti-demiurgist (Jesus in it was an emissary of a god different from YHWH).
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*Ev is a composite of texts from Luke and Matthew and is the first gospel of the synoptic group. Egerton 2 clearly shows that the synoptics worked together.
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If it is a composite of Luke and Matthew, then it is not the first.
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Composite of texts from ghostwriters identified as Luke and Matthew.
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