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Re: Another argument supporting Marcionite priority of *Ev over the Canonical Gospels

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 6:06 am
by Secret Alias
Why would you want to keep your mouth shut about the gospel? It's hard. We're blabbermouths by nature. We are addicted to forming flowcharts and schemes, strategies about things. THAT Irenaeus said that Marcion's gospel was Luke allows for all Tertullian's testimony to be absorbed into the "system" of the study of the four canonical gospels. THAT Matthew, Luke and John are forgeries of Mark still allows for the development of a "system." That's what we like. The four gospels although forgeries beckon us to create systems.

Re: Another argument supporting Marcionite priority of *Ev over the Canonical Gospels

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 10:48 am
by Secret Alias

Re: Another argument supporting Marcionite priority of *Ev over the Canonical Gospels

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 3:05 pm
by MrMacSon
spin wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 5:36 am Who has done the textual analysis that gives *Ev priority??
Besides Klinghardt there's Markus Vinzent's Marcion and the Dating of the Synoptic Gospels, Studia Patristica Supplements, 2, Leuven : Peeters, 2014. ISBN 978 90 429 3027 8, which, besides the argument for Marcionite priority, gives a very good account of the tangible and other possible 2nd century references to Marcion, including by Justin Martyr (via a likely scholar dialogue between the two). Vinzent's arguments for Marcion writing *Ev are imo a bit strained, though.

Klinghardt is criticised for including more canonical Luke is his *Ev reconstruction than others' think is warranted.

Jason BeDuhn will be, iiuc, be on the Marcionite priority train too, with his 2013, The First New Testament: Marcion's Scriptural Canon. As will a few other European scholars, eg., C Gianotto, PA Gramaglia, Andrea Nicolotti and Jan Heilmann (& likely others)
Also see
Bilby, M.G. (2021). Normalized Datasets of Klinghardt’s and Nicolotti’s Reconstructions of Marcion’s Gospel. Journal of Open Humanities Data, 7:32, pp.1–6. DOI: https://doi.org/10.5334/johd.70 (and here)

Re: Another argument supporting Marcionite priority of *Ev over the Canonical Gospels

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 3:18 pm
by MrMacSon
Here's a link to a book by Pier Angelo Gramaglia which I think is titled, Marcione e il Vangelo (di Luca) [Marcion and the Gospel (of Luke): A Comparision with Matthias Klinghardt].

A translation of the description includes:
In this book is an Italian translation of the text proposed by Klinghardt and a detailed analysis of its theoretical reconstruction is provided. The author concludes in this way: the Gospel of Marcion is indeed prior to the Gospel of Luke, but only because it constitutes a first edition by the same hand of the author of the text of Luke that has come down to us; this Gospel was not written by Marcion ...
https://archive.org/details/GramagliaMa ... a/mode/2up