Determining the Marcionite Gospel Text
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So your theory is that there were editions of Adversus Marcionem that had all the quotes attributed to Marcionite texts found in Epiphanius and somehow, for some bizarre and perverse reason of his own, Tertullian never saw fit to quote one of them.Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:11 pm Epiphanius just gathered up various editions of Adversus Marcionem that were lying around in antiquity and copied their arguments.
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You're not going to respond to this?Peter Kirby wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:12 pmSo your theory is that there were editions of Adversus Marcionem that had all the quotes attributed to Marcionite texts found in Epiphanius and somehow, for some bizarre and perverse reason of his own, Tertullian never saw fit to quote one of them [the quotes].Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:11 pm Epiphanius just gathered up various editions of Adversus Marcionem that were lying around in antiquity and copied their arguments.
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Tertullian (and Epiphanius) knew the work of Irenaeus.Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:25 pmI am not understanding.So your theory is that there were editions of Adversus Marcionem that had all the quotes attributed to Marcionite texts found in Epiphanius and somehow, for some bizarre and perverse reason of his own, Tertullian never saw fit to quote one of them
Tertullian never makes a specific quote from the texts of Marcion's canon.
Epiphanius makes many specific quotes of the texts of Marcion's canon.
Your previously proposed explanation: Epiphanius copied these out of an edition of Irenaeus.
What's strange: why would Tertullian pass over all the quotes which Epiphanius gathers?
The obvious explanation: Epiphanius had sourced the quotes from the Marcionite texts, as claimed.
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I have argued that Tertullian didn't see the Marcionite texts.
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So you're saying Tertullian just bizarrely passes over all the quotes that Epiphanius knows without giving any of them in the Latin text.Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:25 pm Epiphanius is citing one or two of Tertullian's sources