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Re: Determining the Marcionite Gospel Text
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:11 pm
by Secret Alias
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Re: Determining the Marcionite Gospel Text
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:12 pm
by Peter Kirby
Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:11 pm
Epiphanius just gathered up various editions of Adversus Marcionem that were lying around in antiquity and copied their arguments.
So your theory is that there were editions of Adversus Marcionem that had all the quotes attributed to Marcionite texts found in Epiphanius and somehow, for some bizarre and perverse reason of his own, Tertullian never saw fit to quote
one of them.
Re: Determining the Marcionite Gospel Text
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:17 pm
by Secret Alias
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Re: Determining the Marcionite Gospel Text
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:17 pm
by Secret Alias
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Re: Determining the Marcionite Gospel Text
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:19 pm
by Peter Kirby
Peter Kirby wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:12 pm
Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:11 pm
Epiphanius just gathered up various editions of Adversus Marcionem that were lying around in antiquity and copied their arguments.
So your theory is that there were editions of Adversus Marcionem that had
all the quotes attributed to Marcionite texts found in Epiphanius and somehow, for some bizarre and perverse reason of his own, Tertullian never saw fit to quote
one of them [the quotes].
You're not going to respond to this?
Re: Determining the Marcionite Gospel Text
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:25 pm
by Secret Alias
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Re: Determining the Marcionite Gospel Text
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:25 pm
by Secret Alias
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Re: Determining the Marcionite Gospel Text
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:29 pm
by Peter Kirby
Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:25 pm
So your theory is that there were editions of Adversus Marcionem that had all the quotes attributed to Marcionite texts found in Epiphanius and somehow, for some bizarre and perverse reason of his own, Tertullian never saw fit to quote one of them
I am not understanding.
Tertullian (and Epiphanius) knew the work of Irenaeus.
Tertullian
never makes a specific quote from the texts of Marcion's canon.
Epiphanius makes many
specific quotes of the texts of Marcion's canon.
Your previously proposed explanation: Epiphanius copied these out of an edition of Irenaeus.
What's strange:
why would Tertullian pass over all the quotes which Epiphanius gathers?
The obvious explanation: Epiphanius had sourced the quotes from the Marcionite texts, as claimed.
Re: Determining the Marcionite Gospel Text
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:30 pm
by Peter Kirby
Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:25 pmTertullian ... witness?
I have argued that Tertullian didn't see the Marcionite texts.
Re: Determining the Marcionite Gospel Text
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:31 pm
by Peter Kirby
Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:25 pm
Epiphanius is citing one or two of Tertullian's sources
So you're saying Tertullian just bizarrely passes over
all the quotes that Epiphanius knows without giving any of them in the Latin text.