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Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:53 pm I am not understanding what I am supposed to be responding to.

Peter Kirby wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:52 pm

Peter Kirby wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:19 pm

Peter Kirby wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:12 pm

Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:11 pm Epiphanius just gathered up various editions of Adversus Marcionem that were lying around in antiquity and copied their arguments.

So your theory is that there were editions of Adversus Marcionem that had all the quotes attributed to Marcionite texts found in Epiphanius and somehow, for some bizarre and perverse reason of his own, Tertullian never saw fit to quote one of them [the quotes].

You're not going to respond to this?

Peter Kirby wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:29 pm

Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:25 pm

So your theory is that there were editions of Adversus Marcionem that had all the quotes attributed to Marcionite texts found in Epiphanius and somehow, for some bizarre and perverse reason of his own, Tertullian never saw fit to quote one of them

I am not understanding.

Tertullian (and Epiphanius) knew the work of Irenaeus.

Tertullian never makes a specific quote from the texts of Marcion's canon.

Epiphanius makes many specific quotes of the texts of Marcion's canon.

Your previously proposed explanation: Epiphanius copied these out of an edition of Irenaeus.

What's strange: why would Tertullian pass over all the quotes which Epiphanius gathers?

The obvious explanation: Epiphanius had sourced the quotes from the Marcionite texts, as claimed.

Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:43 pm Epiphanius culled two sources, likely the two versions of Adversus Haereses that Tertullian already witnesses in 220 CE to make this pamphlet or which someone made for him.

Peter Kirby wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:31 pm

Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:25 pm Epiphanius is citing one or two of Tertullian's sources

So you're saying Tertullian just bizarrely passes over all the quotes that Epiphanius knows without giving any of them in the Latin text.

Still no response?

Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:58 pm There is Epiphanius.
50% of Epiphanius utilized a secondary source i.e. it was not dependent on him possessing the Marcionite canon.
Why should the remaining 50% be thought to have been different? He's already demonstrated to have contradicted his original premise.

Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:09 pm What do you think these gospel passages are representing? Actual sentences from Marcion's gospel?

Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:10 pm What motivation did Epiphanius have for choosing these 78 sentences?