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Text of Cyril of Alexandria Against Julian?
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:49 am
by ficino
Does anyone know of a recent text of Cyril of Alexandria's Against Julian? Since 1998, a team, consisting of Christian Riedweg, Markus Vinzent, and five others, has been preparing a critical Greek text w/ transl and comm. for de Gruyter, but it's not out yet, as far as I know. Books 1-5 are due out this year, and vol. 2, with Books 6-10 and fragments, in '16 or '17. The only text available now known to me is the one in Migne. I think Editions du Cerf came out with one Sources Chretiennes volume in 1985, but I don't know whether any others have been printed.
One of the problems with PG is that I don't know of a database where one can do word or phrase searches in it.
Thanks in advance for any info or links anyone can provide!
Re: Text of Cyril of Alexandria Against Julian?
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:08 am
by DCHindley
ficino wrote:Does anyone know of a recent text of Cyril of Alexandria's Against Julian? Since 1998, a team, consisting of Christian Riedweg, Markus Vinzent, and five others, has been preparing a critical Greek text w/ transl and comm. for de Gruyter, but it's not out yet, as far as I know. Books 1-5 are due out this year, and vol. 2, with Books 6-10 and fragments, in '16 or '17. The only text available now known to me is the one in Migne. I think Editions du Cerf came out with one Sources Chretiennes volume in 1985, but I don't know whether any others have been printed.
One of the problems with PG is that I don't know of a database where one can do word or phrase searches in it.
Thanks in advance for any info or links anyone can provide!
There used to be a website that had a large number of Unicode Greek PDF docs of most all of the Greek fathers. However, these files apparently were created by another organization that had gone bankrupt. Seems someone bought the copyright and is enforcing it, as I cannot find them anymore.
There is a version of Cyril's works, in Unicode Greek, at Catholica Omnia, that is formatted to permit searches.
http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/2 ... nctus.html
DCH
Re: Text of Cyril of Alexandria Against Julian?
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:59 pm
by ficino
Thanks for the link, David. I can't get anywhere with the links to the individual works, unfortunately. When you click on them, you only get a conspectus of what's in the TLG, not an actual text, as far as I can tell.
The TLG doesn't have Cyril's Contra Iulianum because there is no recent text; it only has some recently edited fragments. Perhaps they will add it when the Riedweg edition is available.
Re: Text of Cyril of Alexandria Against Julian?
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:13 pm
by DCHindley
ficino wrote:Thanks for the link, David. I can't get anywhere with the links to the individual works, unfortunately. When you click on them, you only get a conspectus of what's in the TLG, not an actual text, as far as I can tell.
Once you click on a selection, you get the review page, but then click the highlighted name of the work and it opens a Unicode PDF. For example:
0380-0444 - Cirillus Alexandrinus - Commentarius in Isaiam prophetam [tomus 1]
This text belongs to the Thesaurus Linguae Graecae (TLG®), a Research Center at the University of California, Irvine, which digitized it and owns the relevant ©Copyright. On May 15, 2008, Prof. M. Pantelia, the Director of the Center, has expressly authorized
www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu to post it into our site. Cooperatorum Veritatis Societas thanks the prof. Pantelia, the Center, and the University of California, Irvine, of having granted the opportunity to make publicly available this text of high quality, serial number '4090 103 '.
Charset and format of the text have been changed in order to make it possible the computation of analytic indexes and concordances. Analytical indexes and concordances have been made by the Cooperatorum Veritatis Societas.
Commentarius in Isaiam prophetam
[00001] ΤΟΥ ΕΝ ΑΓΙΟΙΣ ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΗΜΩΝ ΚΥΡΙΛΛΟΥ ΑΡΧΙΕΠΙΣΚΟΠΟΥ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΕΙΑΣ ΕΞΗΓΗΣΙΣ ΥΠΟΜΝΗΜΑΤΙΚΗ ΕΙΣ ΤΟΝ ΠΡΟΦΗΤΗΝ ΗΣΑΙΑΝ.
[00002] ΒΙΒΛΙΟΝ Αʹ.
[00003] ΛΟΓΟΙ ΕΞʹ.
[00004] [ΠΡΟΟΙΜΙΟΝ.]
[00005] Ἀσυμφανὴς μὲν ἀεὶ τῶν ἁγίων προφητῶν ὁ λόγος, μεμέστωται δὲ τῶν κεκρυμμένων ἐννοιῶν, καὶ μυ- στηρίων ἡμῖν τῶν θείων ὠδίνει προαγόρευσιν.
[00006] Τέ- λος γὰρ νόμου, καὶ προφητῶν ὁ Χριστὸς, καθὼς γέ- γραπται.
[00007] Χρῆναι δὲ φημὶ, τοὺς ἐθέλοντας διατρανοῦν τὰ οὕτως ἰσχνὰ, καὶ αἰνιγματώδη τῶν θεωρημάτων πλάτη διανοίας ὄμματι περιαθρεῖν ἐπείγεσθαι, καὶ μάλα εὐφρόνως τοῦτο μὲν, τῆς ἱστορίας τὸ ἀκριβὲς, τοῦτο δὲ, τῆς πνευματικῆς θεωρίας τὴν ἀπόδοσιν, ινα πανταχόθεν τοῖς ἐντευξομένοις ἐκβαίη τὸ ὠφε- λοῦν, καὶ ἡ τῆς τῶν προκειμένων ἐννοίας διασάφησις οὐδὲν ἔχουσα τὸ ἐνδεὲς διαφαίνοιτο.
[00008] Οἶδα μὲν οὖν ὅτι φθάσαντές τινες προγεγράφασιν εἰς ταῦτα, καὶ μα- κροὺς ἡμῖν περὶ αὐτῶν ἐποιήσαντο λόγους·
etc
DCH
Re: Text of Cyril of Alexandria Against Julian?
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 5:33 pm
by ficino
Hi David, thanks, I think I see how the site works now. Unfortunately, the material from the Contra Julianum is only the fragments, not the bulk of the work as printed in Migne. The fragments are searchable. Oh well. I'll try to cope with what's available so far.
Cheers, f
Re: Text of Cyril of Alexandria Against Julian?
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:57 am
by Huon
Re: Text of Cyril of Alexandria Against Julian?
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:11 am
by ficino
Thanks, Huon, I had seen that link. Unfortunately it only contains part of book 2.