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Re: Georges Ory's Jesus Hypothesis

Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 2:11 pm
by outhouse
Tenorikuma wrote: Ory's point is that early belief in the celestial god-man Jesus/Christ did not develop from an earthly messiah preached by the founders of an imaginary Jerusalem church,



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And I agree with that whole hearted. As does biblical academia.

but was present in the very earliest form of Christianity — and pre-Christian Jewish sects.


I agree the mythology was present and grew in the Diaspora as its origins, with no geographic center. I believe it was not followed previous to the supposed crucifixion date 33 ish.
so these ideas were "in the air" when Christianity was born


Makes sense to me.


Thank you for your detailed responce

Re: Georges Ory's Jesus Hypothesis

Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 2:14 pm
by outhouse
Peter Kirby wrote:(Yes, a book written in 1963 can't refer to more recent secondary literature,
That was my point, maybe Im gun shy from the AchryaS methodology.



but it's not like this is biomolecular science or something. The pace is glacial overall, due to the rarity of finding new important primary sources, and much of what was written even in the nineteenth century can remain relevant

Understood, still love some of the older work.

Re: Georges Ory's Jesus Hypothesis

Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 5:10 pm
by Tenorikuma
@Neil: I wasn't aware of Salm's translations, but this book is not among them.

Re: Georges Ory's Jesus Hypothesis

Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 4:39 pm
by Tenorikuma
Here's a link to the book, if anyone's interested:

http://tinyurl.com/lkl5ewt

Re: Georges Ory's Jesus Hypothesis

Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 5:22 pm
by Peter Kirby
Tenorikuma wrote:Here's a link to the book, if anyone's interested:

http://tinyurl.com/lkl5ewt
Thanks!

Re: Georges Ory's Jesus Hypothesis

Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 5:34 pm
by neilgodfrey
Tenorikuma wrote:Here's a link to the book, if anyone's interested:

http://tinyurl.com/lkl5ewt
So that's your translation?

Re: Georges Ory's Jesus Hypothesis

Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 6:03 pm
by Tenorikuma
Yes.

Re: Georges Ory's Jesus Hypothesis

Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 6:13 pm
by neilgodfrey
Tenorikuma wrote:Yes.
Brilliant! You should take up donations.

Re: Georges Ory's Jesus Hypothesis

Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 6:34 pm
by Ben C. Smith
This is much appreciated, Tenorikuma. Thank you.

Re: Georges Ory's Jesus Hypothesis

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 12:01 am
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
neilgodfrey wrote:Brilliant! You should take up donations.
Yeah. Congratulation, Tenorikuma :cheers: