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The Answer to the Question of Jesus' Career Life. 40 (days)?

Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 8:28 am
by JoeWallack
The Answer to the Question of Jesus' Career Life. 40 (days)? How Long was Jesus' Career According to GMark?

JW:
The question for this Thread is how long was Jesus' career according to GMark?

Popular thoughts on the more general question of how long Jesus' career was can be found at:

Ministry of Jesus

where the common guess is three years based primarily on GJohn. But how long based on GMark? Suppose you were contemporary with GMark and thus were unaware of any other Gospels. The only known significant Christian author before was Paul. Based on Paul you would not have known that Jesus had any career (ministry). There is no quality evidence that there was any Jesus' narrative before GMark. In order to try and be objective, now try to hypnotize yourself into not being aware of any Jesus' career before reading GMark:

[hypnotize]
You are getting sleepy. Your eyes are open but you don't "see". You have just read Ben Smith's lengthy note on Hebrews 7:14 leaving you dazed and confused and followed up with an advanced stylometric study with Peter Kirby regarding Doherty's treatment of Paul's treatment of Jesus' treatment of Heaven (and Hell). You are nodding off. Your eyes are closing. You are not aware of any career of Jesus...
[/hypnotize]

Good. So what evidence is there in GMark regarding the length of Jesus' career? Are there any time Markers? The best potential time markers in GMark appear to be the invocation of Sabbaths. How many Sabbaths are there in GMark:

Count Verse What Happens
1 1:21 Exorcism
2 2:28 Lord of the Sabbath teaching
3 3:5 Healing on the Sabbath
4 6:2 Teaching on the Sabbath
5 15:42 Death on the Sabbath

I count five explicit Sabbaths in GMark. So that would be a minimum Jesus career of about 35 days. Again, if you had no evidence besides Paul and GMark, would you think that Jesus' career per GMark was significantly longer than 40 days?



Joseph

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

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Re: The Answer to the Question of Jesus' Career Life. 40 (da

Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 9:15 am
by Ben C. Smith
Just a couple of exploratory questions:
  1. Does the sabbath in 3.5 have to be a different sabbath than the one in 2.28? Can Jesus not go straight from the field to the synagogue on the same day?
  2. A lot seems to happen between the sabbath in 6.2 and that in 15.42. Can it all fit into one week, on any kind of reading?
Ben.

Re: The Answer to the Question of Jesus' Career Life. 40 (da

Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 11:20 am
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
JoeWallack wrote:The Answer to the Question of Jesus' Career Life. 40 (days)? How Long was Jesus' Career According to GMark?

JW:
The question for this Thread is how long was Jesus' career according to GMark?
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I count five explicit Sabbaths in GMark. So that would be a minimum Jesus career of about 35 days. Again, if you had no evidence besides Paul and GMark, would you think that Jesus' career per GMark was significantly longer than 40 days?
great question :clap:
Ben C. Smith wrote:A lot seems to happen between the sabbath in 6.2 and that in 15.42. Can it all fit into one week, on any kind of reading?[/list]

Ben.
not in our real time

Re: The Answer to the Question of Jesus' Career Life. 40 (da

Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 12:10 pm
by Ben C. Smith
Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:
Ben C. Smith wrote:A lot seems to happen between the sabbath in 6.2 and that in 15.42. Can it all fit into one week, on any kind of reading?
not in our real time
No, what I mean is that the actual time markers in between 6.2 and 15.42 (nights counted, next days specified, and statements to the effect of something happening so many days later) mathematically add up to more than a week.

Ben.

Re: The Answer to the Question of Jesus' Career Life. 40 (da

Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 12:20 pm
by Ben C. Smith
JoeWallack wrote:I count five explicit Sabbaths in GMark. So that would be a minimum Jesus career of about 35 days.
From counting sabbaths alone, that would be a minimum of 29 days (not 35), counted inclusively (counting from a first sabbath up to and including a fifth is four full weeks plus one day). A total 35 days would entail that some of the 6 extra days either preceded the first sabbath or postdated the fifth, or a combination of both. Some of the extra days needed to make it back up to 35 (or 40?) could come from 9.2 (one of those explicit time markers that makes it problematic to fit all of 6.2 to 15.42 into one week).

Ben.

Re: The Answer to the Question of Jesus' Career Life. 40 (da

Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 12:24 pm
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Ben C. Smith wrote:Some of the extra days needed to make it back up to 35 (or 40?) could come from 9.2 (one of those explicit time markers that makes it problematic to fit all of 6.2 to 15.42 into one week).

Ben.
note also
8:2 I have compassion for these people; they have already been with me three days and have nothing to eat.

Re: The Answer to the Question of Jesus' Career Life. 40 (da

Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 12:37 pm
by Ben C. Smith
Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:
Ben C. Smith wrote:Some of the extra days needed to make it back up to 35 (or 40?) could come from 9.2 (one of those explicit time markers that makes it problematic to fit all of 6.2 to 15.42 into one week).

Ben.
note also
8:2 I have compassion for these people; they have already been with me three days and have nothing to eat.
Right; and there are also the evening and morning notices between the triumphal entry and the crucifixion.

Ben.

Re: The Answer to the Question of Jesus' Career Life. 40 (da

Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 12:38 pm
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
JoeWallack wrote:How many Sabbaths are there in GMark:

Count Verse What Happens
1 1:21 Exorcism
2 2:28 Lord of the Sabbath teaching
3 3:5 Healing on the Sabbath
4 6:2 Teaching on the Sabbath
5 15:42 Death on the Sabbath

I count five explicit Sabbaths in GMark. So that would be a minimum Jesus career of about 35 days. Again, if you had no evidence besides Paul and GMark, would you think that Jesus' career per GMark was significantly longer than 40 days?
Markan theory - super
but math - :whistling:

at 6:2 the minimum is 22 days :mrgreen:

Re: The Answer to the Question of Jesus' Career Life. 40 (da

Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 12:53 pm
by Peter Kirby
JoeWallack wrote:JW:
The question for this Thread is how long was Jesus' career according to GMark?
Mark 6:39
Then Jesus directed them to have all the people sit down in groups on the green grass.

Mark 14:1
Now the Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread were only two days away, and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were scheming to arrest Jesus secretly and kill him.

(etc.)

... Many have attempted to read this as a narrative, then, from one spring (green grass) to another (Passover), in one year. ...

Re: The Answer to the Question of Jesus' Career Life. 40 (da

Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 1:23 pm
by Ben C. Smith
Peter Kirby wrote:... Many have attempted to read this as a narrative, then, from one spring (green grass) to another (Passover), in one year. ...
The plucking of grain by the disciples also tends to get worked into those attempts.

Ben.