Did Christianity Emerge From the Two Powers Tradition?

[Secret Alias]

No it just means that the transliterated Hebrew name was treated as a Greek name. These are all orthodox manuscripts. The question is IC still is this a short form or a full name. I am not proposing the Catholics started Christianity. They clearly modified manuscripts of a much earlier tradition. I do not subscribe to a 2nd century origin for Christianity.

[Secret Alias]

Even with out my thesis you still have Hurtado saying that the nomination sacra idea goes back to a Hebrew word that equals 18. This is a speculative theory. My speculative theory identifies the two letter idea going back to another Hebrew word read originally as letters on a page in PaleoHebrew as we see in other Greek MSS (different divine name). Either way it's a mystery why Christian manuscripts started out by writing these strange two letter habits on a page which go back to PaleoHebrew sacred name writing. It's a 50 50 ball either way to use the football analogy

[Secret Alias]

But the ingredients in my ideas aren't that far off from the ingredients in Hurtado's argument.

[Secret Alias]

But also remember Irenaeus denies the two letter (2.5) thing goes back to Iesous either

[DCHindley]

Stephan,

Can you type about 200 words a minute?

Seems I can read the last post in a thread of yours, go back to the index, and immediately find more posts. When I click to look, there are three sometimes more posts which must have been posted in the previous 30 seconds. Or are you engaged in OCD multi-tasking? <Send All>

DCH

[Secret Alias]

Beats work

[Secret Alias]

Apparently many in the Renaissance period had theories similar to mine (though far less sophisticated). The list of names referenced here are Drusius, Sebastian Castellio, Andreas Osiander:

Finally and with some decisiveness Drusius asserts that the name of Jesus is not formed from the Tetragrammaton Nomen Jesu non esse ductum ex nomine Tetragrammaton.27 Drusius begins here by setting aside Reuchlin and others to concentrate upon a recent remark of Sebastian Castellio (1515–1563) (who, in fact merely refers the reader to Andreas Osiander's Annotationes in Harmoniam Evangelicam, whose views he has adopted): that the name Jesu comes from Jova with a shin (s) inserted. Why a shin? Citing the designation of God in Exodus 15 as “a man (Hebrew: 'ish) of war,” the shin is said to be added to Jova because Jesus is not Jova (i.e. the Father) but Jova-Homo, i.e. Jova corporatum, and made man. https://books.google.com/books?id=1xyoB ... 22&f=false

[Secret Alias]

Here is an original source for the information:

https://books.google.com/books?id=OhRQA ... va&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=uPBEA ... 22&f=false

This was actually a fairly influential opinion in the late fifteen/early sixteenth century.

[Secret Alias]

Where did Osiander get the idea that Jesus came from Ish? Answer most likely: Jews

OSIANDER, ANDREAS° (1498?–1552), German theologian, religious reformer, and *Hebraist. Born in Gunzenhausen (Franconia), Osiander was ordained a priest in 1520, but shortly thereafter converted to Protestantism, becoming one of the most influential reformers of the time. He was a Hebrew tutor at Nuremberg and continued his studies with a Jew, Woelfflein of Schnaittach, who was given the extraordinary privilege of visiting Nuremberg for that purpose. In the wake of the *Pezinok blood libel of 1529, Osiander published an anonymous refutation of the ritual murder charge, which led to a literary dispute with Johannes Eck. Although Osiander was himself a Lutheran theologian, in a private letter to Elijah *Levita he vehemently denounced Martin *Luther's anti-Jewish Vom Schem Hamphoras (1544). In 1548 Osiander left Nuremberg and was made professor of Hebrew at the then newly founded University of Koenigsberg, where he died a few years later.

[Secret Alias]

The more I dig into this Andreas Osiander the more I uncover an early Protestant Kabbalist http://www.degruyter.com/view/j/arg.201 ... 4-0103.xml
https://books.google.com/books?id=RRJVA ... us&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=mucGA ... us&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=oQQbA ... us&f=false


The idea that scholarly books by the dozens used to have to cite this etymology of "Jesus" from Ish is simply unbelievable to me. It was once an influential and learned opinion based on kabbalah. Some books cite the ish etymology first and then add that "others" (a lesser opinion) say it comes from Joshua or "to save." Incredible.

Apparently Giovanni Pico della Mirandola (1463-1494), was another https://books.google.com/books?id=w_AcA ... kQ6AEIGzAA
https://books.google.com/books?id=n6_H4 ... ew&f=false

It would appear the identification of the Christian god ("Jesus") with ish developed through Christian contact with kabbalah. There is a major scholarly effort underway to translate Pico's massive Kabbalist library

In 1486 Giovanni Pico della Mirandola charged Flavius Mithridates – alias Raimundo
Moncada, a converted Jew of Sicilian provenance – with the task of translating from Hebrew into Latin a whole kabbalistic library, encompassing most of the Jewish mystical works then available. Mithridates spent months, if not for years, filling thousands of folio pages. When Pico died in 1494, the manuscripts with the translations came to the Vatican Library in Rome, where they have remained almost untouched till today.

The entire kabbalistic library of Giovanni Pico della Mirandola is now being published in monographic volumes. The series is a joint project carried out by the Institut für Judaistik of the Freie Universität Berlin (Germany) and the Istituto Nazionale di Studi sul Rinascimento (Firenze, Italy). It aims to bring to light the real contents of a central undertaking of the Renaissance that remained inaccessable for centuries: the translations of kabbalistic texts prepared in 1486 by Flavius Mithridates for Picohttp://www.pico-kabbalah.eu/first_page.html