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Re: The (Hegesippan?) list of Roman bishops.

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:12 pm
by Secret Alias
It's not a rank in the Church; it's another name for the Church

Re: The (Hegesippan?) list of Roman bishops.

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:07 pm
by Secret Alias
The Churches (mainly outside the Roman Empire) started to use this term for their chief Bishops much later, probably by 4th or 5th centuries. Now the primates of the Orthodox Churches in Armenia, Georgia, Iraq and India, use the title ‘Catholicos’. ‘Maphriyono’ (Maphrian) is derived from the Syriac word afri, “to make fruitful’, or "one who gives fecundity". This title came to be used exclusively for the head of the Syrian Orthodox Church in the East (Persia), after the prelates who occupied the office of the Catholicate since late 5th century adopted Nestorian Christology and separated from the rest of Christendom. From the mid 13th century onwards, a few occupants of the Maphrianate were referred also as ‘Catholicos’, but the title never came into extensive usage. However in the 20th century when this office of the Maphrianate under the Holy See of Antioch was reinstated in India, the chief of the local church assumed the title ‘Catholicos’. It is this title that is being used in India today, while the title ‘Maphriyono’ (Maphrian) has fell out of popular use.

Re: The (Hegesippan?) list of Roman bishops.

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:08 pm
by Peter Kirby
Secret Alias wrote:I think we found our "Josephus"
I think we had him the whole time in front of us, as the author of War/Ant./Life/Apion. I know; it's a stretch. ;)

Re: The (Hegesippan?) list of Roman bishops.

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:13 pm
by Secret Alias
Maphrian
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maphrian
The Maphrian (Syriac: ܡܦܪܝܢܐ‎ Maphryānā, also rendered as mafriano, etc.) was the prelate in the Syriac Orthodox Church who ranked second in the hierarchy after the Syriac Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch. The Maphrian, originally acted as the head of the church, in a position similar to an exarch, within the Sassanian Empire and lands outside the control of the Roman Empire. The title was abolished in 1860 as a result of a decreasing number of Jacobites outside of the Tur Abdin region, however was resurrected in 1964 to be used by the head of the Jacobite Syrian Christian Church as Catholicos of India, retaining the position as the second highest prelate of the wider Syriac Orthodox Church.

Contents [hide]
1 Etymology
2 History
3 Dioceses
4 Great Metropolitans
5 Maphrians of the East
6 Sources
7 See also
Etymology[edit]
The title derives from the Syriac word 'afri', which means “to make fruitful’, or "one who gives fecundity", it may also come from the verb "aphri" which means "father" or "parent". It is a transliteration of the Greek καθολικός, pl. καθολικοί, meaning concerning the whole, universal or general. The title was used to distinguish the Miaphysites from the Nestorians who were headed by the Catholicos in Ctesiphon.

History[edit]
The ecclesiastical dignity dates back to the seventh century however its origins began with the instatement of the Catholicos of the East in the fifth century, which was made to unite Christians within the Sassanian Empire under a single ecclesiastical authority and act as a link with the Christians within the Roman Empire. However, after the Nestorian Schism in 431, the teachings of Nestorius were branded heretical at the First Council of Ephesus and Nestorians were forced to relocate to the Sassanian Empire. From this point on the catholicate became increasingly Nestorian, forcing the few remaining Persian Miaphysites, such as Philoxenus of Mabbug, into exile.

Despite this, within the Sassanian Empire, the Mesopotamian town of Tagrit alone did not adopt Nestorianism and would become the centre of Miaphysite missions. With the birth of the Syriac Orthodox Church in the late sixth century, the office of Metropolitan of the East was created by the energetic Jacob Baradaeus for the bishop Ahudemmeh, however he was executed by the Sassanians in 575. During this period, Miaphysites were subject to a great deal of persecution from the Sassanians, under suspicion that as they obeyed a spiritual head residing in Byzantine territory, they were therefore inclined to support the Byzantines. This was spurred on by accusations of favouring the Byzantines from Nestorians at the Shah's court at Ctesiphon; thus encouraging further persecution.

During this period, the Persians were known to enslave much of the Roman territory they conquered and return with a multitude of captives, including Byzantines, Egyptians and Syrians, increasing the number of Miaphysites within Persia. The Miaphysites were under the authority of the Syriac Orthodox Metropolitan of the East until 624 when the seat was left empty for five years. So once the hostilities had drawn to a close at the end of the Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628, in 629 the Syriac Orthodox Patriarch Athanasius I Gammolo appointed Marutha of Tagrit as the first maphrian, with the task of organising the Miaphysites in the Sassanian Empire from the Miaphysite stronghold of Tagrit.

The efforts of Marutha of Tagrit were to be crowned with greater success than the previous metropolitans with the assistance of Chosroes II's physician, Gabriel de Shiggar, who had completely won the confidence of the Christian queen Shirin. This allowed him to rebuild churches and administer the church. He also undertook fruitful missionary work among the Arabs and throughout the valley of the Tigris, spreading the Syriac Orthodox faith. With the appointment of the maphrian came large ecclesiastical autonomy from the Church in Antioch. This was done to help improve the position of Miaphysites within the Persian Empire, refuting accusations of favouring the Byzantines.

Over time, the relations between the Maphrian and the Patriarch of Antioch became increasingly strained, and at times lead to schisms and interference into the election of both maphrian and patriarch. In 869, the Council of Capharthutha was held to regulate the relationship and resolve the differences between the two positions. The Council agreed that just as the patriarch consecrated the Maphrian, the consecration of a new Patriarch would be reserved to the Maphrian and that both would avoid interfering in the administration of the other.

However, the Maphrians often had disputes with bishops within his own administration, such as the metropolitan of the Monastery of Mar Mattai near Nineveh, who was jealous of the preponderating influence of Tagrit. The maphrianate was based in Tagrit until 1089 upon the destruction of the main cathedral, known as the Green Church and was relocated to Mosul. The maphrian returned to Tagrit where he united the two sees of Nineveh and Tagrit in 1152 before being forced to permanently move to the Monastery of Mar Mattai in 1155 whilst retaining an immediate jurisdiction over Tagrit and Nineveh.

From 1533, the title was changed to the Maphrian of Mosul to distinguish it from the new office of Maphrian of Tur Abdin. In time, the number of Syriac Orthodox Christians in Mesopotamia decreased, and the maphrianate lost its original significance. It became largely a titular designation for the Syriac Orthodox Church's second highest office until being abolished altogether in a synod of 1860.

In 1964, the title was resurrected for use by the head of the Syriac Orthodox Church in India, Jacobite Syrian Christian Church as the Catholicos of India. The current Catholicos is Baselios Thomas I.

Re: The (Hegesippan?) list of Roman bishops.

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:14 pm
by Secret Alias
I think we had him the whole time in front of us
No the Joseph who was the author of the chronicle of 147 CE. There were two Josephs.

Re: The (Hegesippan?) list of Roman bishops.

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:25 pm
by Secret Alias
Could we at least settle for Polycarp being the title of an important person in the Judeo-Christian tradition named Joseph?

Re: The (Hegesippan?) list of Roman bishops.

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:27 pm
by Peter Kirby
Secret Alias wrote:Could we at least settle for Polycarp being the title of an important person in the Judeo-Christian tradition named Joseph?
I thought we had a whole theory tying together Polycarp, the letters of Ignatius, and the Passing of Peregrinus. It seemed pretty interesting. Has it lost its shine?

Re: The (Hegesippan?) list of Roman bishops.

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:36 pm
by Secret Alias
You are demonstrating why it is fruitless - pardon the pun - to study the Bible without a background in Hebrew. There is only so far you can ride on a tricycle. Why does Irenaeus cite the episcopal succession list then immediately go to Polycarp and then back to the succession list?

Re: The (Hegesippan?) list of Roman bishops.

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:45 pm
by Secret Alias
Philo On Sobriety - But he (Joseph) is spoken of as "youngest," even although he keeps on increasing and improving for the better, in comparison with the perfect man, who thinks nothing honourable but what is good. (15)

Now, the original progenitor of a virtuous posterity has written that he prayed for this for some of his friends, saying, "Return unto Me,"{17}{#ge 49:22.} in order that, returning to adopt his opinions, and looking upon good alone as beautiful, he might pass by the reports of mistaken men as to the nature of good. Let him, then, dwell in the house of him who says that the good of the soul is the only beautiful thing; passing by and repudiating the abodes of others, by whom corporeal and external advantages are held in honour. (68)

Re: The (Hegesippan?) list of Roman bishops.

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:24 pm
by Secret Alias
And also Genesis 48:4

Then Jacob said to Joseph, "God Almighty appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan and blessed me, and He said to me, 'Behold, I will make you fruitful (מַפְרְךָ֙ = maphreka) and numerous, and I will make you a company of peoples, and will give this land to your descendants after you for an everlasting possession.' "Now your two sons, who were born to you in the land of Egypt before I came to you in Egypt, are mine; Ephraim (אֶפְרַ֙יִם֙) and Manasseh shall be mine

Joseph is the 'fruitful son'