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Kapyong wrote:Gday all,

My favourite parallelomaniacism would be from AcharyaS (RIP)
that Jesus the Son of God
is a Sun of God !

Maybe not strictly a parallel, but certainly mania.


Kapyong

Acharya/Robert Tulip -- they used no controls, no criteria. Result: Rorschach test readings. Twelve here, twelve there, everywhere a twelve twelve -- they all had to be related and originate with the Zodiac of course. Very Freudian, or should that be Jungian. Setting out defensible criteria is a first step. It's not a foolproof method but a defensible start and set of controls do present us with a meaningful exercise. Many critics of "parallelomania" tend to bypass those methods and scoff at the results as if they were randomly obtained.

to Ben,

Paul alludes to Elijah both in Galatians and in Romans. I think that material was pretty popular in the early church

In Galatians? No he did not. Just that a prominent apologist made a point from Paul going to Arabia and then goes on with some far-fetched parallels between Paul and Phinehas/Elijah, even saying Paul tried to imitate Phinehas &/or Elijah.
Paul alluding to Elijah in Galatians is extreme parallelomania.
And from that and the mention of Elijah in Romans, it's a stretch to "think that material was pretty popular in the early church".

Cordially, Bernard

Bernard Muller wrote:to Ben,

Paul alludes to Elijah both in Galatians and in Romans. I think that material was pretty popular in the early church

In Galatians? No he did not. Just that a prominent apologist made a point from Paul going to Arabia and then goes on with some far-fetched parallels between Paul and Phinehas/Elijah, even saying Paul tried to imitate Phinehas &/or Elijah.
Paul alluding to Elijah in Galatians is extreme parallelomania.
And from that and the mention of Elijah in Romans, it's a stretch to "think that material was pretty popular in the early church".

Well, now you know the root of many of our disagreements, Bernard. It is often simply a matter of each of us seeing very different things as most or least likely.

I see that this book discusses the Elijah in Galatians idea:

https://books.google.com/books?id=xKm8C ... ah&f=false

On page 46 the author notes that Elijah is one of only three prophets that Paul mentions by name (along with Moses and Isaiah).

And it looks like Elijah is the only prophet that the Letter of James mentions by name.

to Ben,

It is often simply a matter of each of us seeing very different things as most or least likely.

You see Paul as alluding to Elijah in Galatians as likely. That's say a lot about your methodology.

Paul alludes to Elijah both in Galatians and in Romans. I think that material was pretty popular in the early church.

to John 2,
And what would you conclude about Elijah being mentioned in Romans & James?

Cordially, Bernard

Bernard wrote:

"to John 2, And what would you conclude about Elijah being mentioned in Romans & James?"

Since he is one of only three prophets that Paul names (along with Moses and Isaiah, no less) and the only one that James names (at the conclusion of his letter, no less), he looks like an important figure in early Christianity to me.

John2 wrote:Since he is one of only three prophets that Paul names (along with Moses and Isaiah, no less) and the only one that James names (at the conclusion of his letter, no less), he looks like an important figure in early Christianity to me.

Not to forget the allusions at the very beginning of gMark.

Mal3:1 "I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty.
Mal4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
6 And he will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”

Ulan wrote:

John2 wrote:Since he is one of only three prophets that Paul names (along with Moses and Isaiah, no less) and the only one that James names (at the conclusion of his letter, no less), he looks like an important figure in early Christianity to me.

Not to forget the allusions at the very beginning of gMark.

Mal3:1 "I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty.
Mal4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
6 And he will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”

Revelation 11.6a ("These have the power to shut up the sky, so that rain will not fall during the days of their prophesying") is a rather clear allusion to 1 Kings 17.1 ("now Elijah the Tishbite, from Tishbe in Gilead, said to Ahab, 'As the LORD, the God of Israel, lives, whom I serve, there will be neither dew nor rain in the next few years except at my word'").