Re: Why was Jesus rejected in his hometown?
Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 6:22 am
Do you wish to say that Mark, Matthew, Luke and John are nitwits who didn't understand what they wrote?
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JW:Ben C. Smith wrote:Okay, Marcan scholars, I am interested in interpretations of the hometown rejection in Mark 6.1-6a:
1 Jesus went out from there and come into His hometown; and His disciples follow Him. 2 When the Sabbath came, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands? 3 Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?”
And they took offense at Him. 4 Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household.” 5 And He could do no miracle there except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6a And He wondered at their unbelief.
The first paragraph above seems to be leading in a positive direction. The local boy has come back home a wise and accomplished worker of miracles. Even the listing of his family members does not seem negative in that context.
But then the tables turn, and people are offended with him. Why? What is the offense?
After the listing of relatives, Matthew 13.53-58 adds, "Where then did this man get all these things?" This seems like a not altogether successful attempt to spell out the source of the offense more clearly. Luke 4.16-30 is much more complete here, and gives ample reason for the townspeople to resent Jesus.
Make no mistake: I can think of reasons for the people to be offended at Jesus (jealousy, past rivalries, a sense that Jesus no longer knows his proper place), but without more of a hint from the author such thoughts are really only guesses.
Even more striking to my eye is the following contrast:
But they seem to very much believe that he can do miracles; that is a big part of their astonishment. What exactly do they not believe here?
- Where did this man get... such miracles as these performed by His hands?
- And He could do no miracle there... and He wondered at their unbelief.
Thoughts?
Ben.
| Group Identification | Expectation regarding Jesus (one of their own) | Opposite result | Artistic touch of irony |
| Disciples | Followers of Jesus | Abandon Jesus | The followers of Jesus run away from him to "save" themselves. |
| Jewish religious leaders | Identify and promote the Messiah to save the Jews | Identify and convict the Messiah which convicts the Jews | Jewish religious leaders make fun of Jesus not being able to prophesy exactly as his prophecy of Peter's denial is happening right under their long noses |
| Jesus' family | Unconditional support | Unconditional opposition | They don't want Jesus seen or heard. Who is his real family? |
| Jesus' hometown | Proud of one of their own | Embarrassed by one of their own | Questioning the work of the carpenter's hands |
No, he says that it doesn't matter what Mark, Matthew, Luke and John allegedly wrote, because they are all 2nd century rewrites from a single precursor gospel that had, instead of the text versions you compare, a flying, supernatural Jesus who came down to his "hometown" Jerusalem. Which easily explains why nobody wanted to listen, because the "home" was all of Israel who rejected the message.Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:Do you wish to say that Mark, Matthew, Luke and John are nitwits who didn't understand what they wrote?
That is not how I read "faith/belief" elsewhere in Mark, at least not in conjunction with miracles:Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:.
I think the "unbelief" is primarily that God's chosen one is identified as a simple human being
Fine. An interpretation miles away from the text, even from Marcion's gospel.Ulan wrote:No, he says that it doesn't matter what Mark, Matthew, Luke and John allegedly wrote, because they are all 2nd century rewrites from a single precursor gospel that had, instead of the text versions you compare, a flying, supernatural Jesus who came down to his "hometown" Jerusalem. Which easily explains why nobody wanted to listen, because the "home" was all of Israel who rejected the message.
Of course, this depends on accepting that the "supergospel" (Paul's?) that can be found in Justin and Ephrem was really earlier than the others. Which most here probably won't.
I give Stephan this point: I don't think that the current reconstructions of Marcion's gospel hold any water. See Ephrem. We also have Justin as witness that things are not as they are usually depicted. Even Tertullian mixes things in a way that are not compatible with our current model. These points are usually explained away as "mistakes".Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:Fine. An interpretation miles away from the text, even from Marcion's gospel.Ulan wrote:No, he says that it doesn't matter what Mark, Matthew, Luke and John allegedly wrote, because they are all 2nd century rewrites from a single precursor gospel that had, instead of the text versions you compare, a flying, supernatural Jesus who came down to his "hometown" Jerusalem. Which easily explains why nobody wanted to listen, because the "home" was all of Israel who rejected the message.
Of course, this depends on accepting that the "supergospel" (Paul's?) that can be found in Justin and Ephrem was really earlier than the others. Which most here probably won't.