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[outhouse]

So for you "pious Jews" are synonymous of "Zealots". And all these pious Jews were political & "heated".




Cordially, Bernard

Zealot is a Hellenistic term used to describe Aramaic Galileans. They were pious and they were political to different extents. No one wants to be a slave oppressed under Herod's misery

[outhouse]

Well, that's your thinking.


Cordially, Bernard

Nope, scholars thinking not mine.

[outhouse]

Keep peace, yes. But "personally take the money back to Rome" (collected in Jerusalem) is pure unfounded speculation.

Cordially, Bernard

No it is not.

Pilates job was to ensure the tax money generated at Passover was securely transferred to Rome.


Without the Passover tax money the temple would have been leveled by Rome.

[Clive]

Wasn't the Temple built with strong Roman support? Why would they level it? Romans loved big sacrificial ceremonial centres! Bread and circuses! Especially strange exotic foreign ones!

[outhouse]

Wasn't the Temple built with strong Roman support? Why would they level it? Romans loved big sacrificial ceremonial centres! Bread and circuses! Especially strange exotic foreign ones!

Supply sources for that. Credible ones.

Why would they level it? You ever read any history books at all, or is this whole subject foreign to you?

[outhouse]

Numerous factors prompted the revolt, including inept and voracious procurators, growing nationalism fanned by religious fervor, strife between Jews and Gentiles, economic disasters caused by drought and famine and exacerbated by high taxes, unemployment in Jerusalem created by the completion of the Temple’s renovations, and banditry.


This is the reason the temple fell, and it was labeled by Hellenist as a Zealot revolt. This shows the Hellenistic division between Aramaic Jews.

And all of these reflected in NT text.

We see the division of Hellenistic Judaism and gentiles, and Aramaic Jews, by NT text from the Aramaic side.

Unemployment leading to hunger and disease, promoting thieves.

HIGH TAXES

[Bernard Muller]

to outhouse,

You think a village like Nazareth had mikvas ? So the Aramaic village jews were not supposed to experience this, while Hellenistic Jews in Sepphoris had indoor pools?

If I understand you, because the poor Jews did not have access to mikvas, they had to wait (centuries!) for John the Baptist's ritual immersions and rushed to him to have the opportunity to cleanse their sins. Couldn't they find much sooner a close by pool and bath in it, if that was so important to them (which is not proven). And no need of John, as there was no John officiating on the mikvas.

Then you are guilty of not reading the text
They flat state Jesus had Zealot followers, that means they were politically active. There were no wars by stabbings were taking place.
If the movement was dead as you imagine, Jesus would not have a Zealot follower.

In the NT, Simon Zelotes appears only in gLuke & Acts as one of the twelve. "Zelotes" is not in the first written gospel (gMark) & gMatthew & gJohn.
In gMark & gMatthew that Simon is called Simon the Canaanite.

Zelotes is very likely a creation of "Luke".

Maybe you think these oppressed starve and disease infested Aramaic people liked being oppressed

What a dramatization! They were oppressed (and subject to famines and diseases) as they would be under any dictators (king or emperor). That does not mean they were longing to revolt and looking for a rebel leader.
The same situation is still existing today, in place like North Korea. Show of authority (such as having an army), fear of repression, propaganda are usually enough to keep the poor people not even daring to think about revolting.
Actually, the message of Jesus was geared towards these oppressed rural Galileans: liberation will come at the soon to come advent of the kingdom of God on earth (brought about by God, not by men!) for the benefit of poor Jews. Somehow, in it, there would be no need to go through hard labor to get food, clothes and drink: everything provided by God for free! No more famine, no taxation and good governance because by God (or his rep on earth)!

Zealot is a Hellenistic term used to describe Aramaic Galileans. They were pious and they were political to different extents. No one wants to be a slave oppressed under Herod's misery

Where did you get that? And don't tell me "from academia" or "from scholars"/ Provide the earliest evidence for that.
At times, Galilee provided Zealot leaders and Zealots warriors, but classifying all Aramaic Galileans as Zealots during Antipas' reign is pure non-sense, more so when Josephus did not report Zealot activities in Galilee during that reign, but he did for right before it and after it.

Nope, scholars thinking not mine.

Name the scholars.

No it is not.
Pilates job was to ensure the tax money generated at Passover was securely transferred to Rome.
Without the Passover tax money the temple would have been leveled by Rome.

Pure unfounded & unevidenced speculation.

Cordially, Bernard

[Ben C. Smith]

Zelotes is very likely a creation of "Luke".

Out of curiosity, why do you think Luke might have created a zealot follower for Jesus?

[outhouse]

If I understand you, because the poor Jews did not have access to mikvas, they had to wait (centuries!) for John the Baptist's ritual immersions and rushed to him to have the opportunity to cleanse their sins. Couldn't they find much sooner a close by pool and bath in it, if that was so important to them (which is not proven).

Cordially, Bernard

Before baptism, they had ritual immersion that was required to enter the temple at Passover.

No one waited, poor try on your part.

And no need of John, as there was no John officiating on the mikvas.

No need for an Aramaic Jew to be in a Hellenistic city like Jerusalem ? true

Do you actually place Aramaic Jews as worshipping identical to that of Hellenistic proselytes ?

Do you think Aramaic Galilean Jews welcomed the Hellenistic temple elite?

[outhouse]

In the NT, Simon Zelotes appears only in gLuke & Acts as one of the twelve. "Zelotes" is not in the first written gospel (gMark) & gMatthew & gJohn.
In gMark & gMatthew that Simon is called Simon the Canaanite.

Zelotes is very likely a creation of "Luke".



Cordially, Bernard

Scholars cannot determine if the author used this fictionally, or was repeating a tradition this community placed in text.

And I do not trust your opinion here, due to the certainty you posit.