Biblical Criticism & History Forum - earlywritings.com

to outhouse,

They were not corrupt because they were Hellenist, they just were Hellenist oppressing real Jews

And these so-called Hellenists did not want to learn Greek, the starting point in order to become Hellenized. Go figure. And what else would make them Hellenists?
And now, your pious Jews would not include the Galileans, Zealot ruffians with little interest for the Law.

Cordially, Bernard

Bernard Muller wrote: And these so-called Hellenists did not want to learn Greek, the starting point in order to become Hellenized. Go figure.


Cordially, Bernard

You have no sense of comprehension, to the point Bernard of outright dishonesty.

I never said or implied such.


Why would Hellenist not know Greek language in many multi cultural trilingual cultures???????????

outhouse wrote:

Michael BG wrote:Again you provided no evidence.

They were opinions.

Evidence is not required for you to try and refute the topic, and or provide an alternative explanation.

Just your opinion is welcome.

What is the point in reading someone’s opinion only, without them presenting the evidence or case for how they arrived at this opinion?

to outhouse,

Many were Roman citizens.

And from where did you get many proselytes were Roman citizens?

With the rebuilding of the temple for Hellenist, it drew in hundreds of thousands of gentiles and semi proselytes that never exited before it was rebuilt.

And still no evidence that temple attracted hundreds of thousands of Gentiles and semi proselytes.

The temple is factually key to the origin of Christianity

Because it is your opinion.

Cordially, Bernard

Bernard Muller wrote: And now, your pious Jews would not include the Galileans, Zealot ruffians with little interest for the Law.

Cordially, Bernard

"with little interest for the Law", is from a corrupt cowardly Hellenistic Pharisee jew, that amounted to an enemy of Aramaic Jews in Galilee.


Fail, thanks for playing but no thanks.

Bernard Muller wrote:And from where did you get many proselytes were Roman citizens?



Cordially, Bernard

Bernard. This shows how severely ignorant you are on these topics. You should know the answer blindfolded before entering any debate.

Bernard Muller wrote: Because it is your opinion.

Cordially, Bernard

Which is a reflection of Professors and scholars and anthropology.

Anthropology is where the knowledge comes from that dictates what can be historical from the text.

Bernard Muller wrote: And still no evidence that temple attracted hundreds of thousands of Gentiles and semi proselytes.


Cordially, Bernard

You sir are dishonest, I have posted it already.

Your ignorance and or idiocy sir, is overwhelming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem ... ple_Period


Social and religious state

Herod once again turned Jerusalem into a Hellenistic city, including all the constituent elements and institutions of a Polis. He built a large theatre, instituted wrestling tournaments in honor of the Emperor, staged spectacles where men fought wild animals,[24] and encouraged gentile immigration to Jerusalem.

Herod adorned his Hellenistic architecture with decorations depicting pagan gods and his currency carried pagan motifs

— Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Sukkah chapter 5[41]

Jerusalem was at once a grand pagan city and the center of Jewish life at its peak. Temple ritual continued unabated in the new and lavish building. Huge number of pilgrims, perhaps as many as a million,[42] filled the city streets during Passover, supposedly in an atmosphere described by the Talmud as :

to outhouse,

Bernard Muller wrote:

And these so-called Hellenists did not want to learn Greek, the starting point in order to become Hellenized. Go figure.

I never said or implied such.

Where did I say you said it or implied it. I am the one saying that.

Why would Hellenist not know Greek language in many multi cultural trilingual cultures???????????

Yes, Hellenists would know Greek language in many multi cultural trilingual cultures. If they don't, they are not Hellenists.
But Josephus wrote that your so-called Hellenists, the Jewish upper class in Jerusalem, did not know Greek:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2388&p=53863&hilit= ... med#p53862
So how could they be Hellenists?

Cordially, Bernard

Bernard Muller wrote:

But Josephus wrote that your so-called Hellenists, the Jewish upper class in Jerusalem, did not know Greek:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2388&p=53863&hilit= ... med#p53862


Cordially, Bernard

Your link only shows he was just learning greek and not accustom to it.

Not only that many Israelite Jews only knew Aramaic and possibly some Hebrew And Aramaic was their primary language. We know Koine existed and flourished in Jerusalem despite Josephus claims which was Rhetorical history.

status of Greek in the upper class in Jerusalem is something you made up, as he makes no such claim. Basically he is just learning Greek, and I never claimed all Jews were Hellenist. JUST that Hellenist were the ones doing the oppressing.

With that said Josephus came from a priestly sect, which was one of many, he does not in any way represent the Jewish puppet government placed in power by Herod in Jerusalem.

Fail on your part.