Temple?

[John2]

Outhouse wrote:

"End result is that with Pilates aqueduct and the pools on site, there was enough water for half a million Passover pilgrims, with plenty left over."

But Gorenberg/Sagiv are refering to "the water for a ritual bath, at an elevated spot in the Temple compound, that the High Priest used," not the pools for pilgrims.

And that:

"We investigated this about 4-5 years ago with mrmacson [maybe] sending an email to Carrier asking specific questions I generated."

I wouldn't mind seeing Carrier's response.

[MrMacSon]

MrMacSon wrote:

"Did Hadrian get the Jews to help build a new enlarged 'Temple Mount/plaza, with the Jews thinking they were going to get a new (Third Jewish) temple, and then Hadrian reneging or being perceived to have reneged on an anticipated third Jewish Temple?"

Something like that is said to be mentioned in Genesis Rabbah 64.8.

https://books.google.com/books?id=pACJY ... le&f=false

Yes, I have seen reference that Hadrian initially agreed to rebuild the Jewish Temple, and then being talked out of it; but I was just referring there to the extension of the foundations - the 'Temple Mount' (?)

[MrMacSon]

Outhouse wrote:

"We investigated this about 4-5 years ago with mrmacson [maybe] sending an email to Carrier asking specific questions I generated."

I wouldn't mind seeing Carrier's response.

It wasn't me.

[outhouse]

Outhouse wrote:

"We investigated this about 4-5 years ago with mrmacson [maybe] sending an email to Carrier asking specific questions I generated."

I wouldn't mind seeing Carrier's response.

It wasn't me.

It was in the old forum, I remember one guy sent the email out on the topic.

[John2]

MrMacSon wrote:

"Yes, I have seen reference that Hadrian initially agreed to rebuild the Jewish Temple, and then being talked out of it; but I was just referring there to the extension of the foundations - the 'Temple Mount' (?)"

I see. Well, I don't know the answer to that. And I'm starting to get sick of thinking about the Temple Mount. The larger point I've been trying to make is that it doesn't matter where a third temple is built, because I think "the place the Lord will choose to put his name" could be anywhere the ark is (like Shiloh, as mentioned in Jer. 7:12), and God was okay with sacrifices in other places by people, even after the Torah existed (e.g., Samuel), and the ark can be rebuilt and put anywhere, as far as I'm concerned.

[John2]

In fact, I don't see why the mishkan couldn't be rebuilt either, and that too, of course, could be put anywhere.

[outhouse]

could be anywhere the ark is

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That item only exist in literature, and never existed in reality ever.

[John2]

Well, maybe, maybe not, but the instructions for building it are in Ex. 25, so it could be done.

[John2]

The Wikipedia page for the mishkan/tabernacle, btw, mentions some interesting things about the ark and the altar that was in the mishkan that supports my point that these things could be put anywhere.

After the conquest and division of the land among the tribes, the Tabernacle was moved to Shiloh in Ephraimite territory (Joshua's tribe) to avoid disputes among the other tribes (Joshua 18:1; 19:51; 22:9; Psalm 78:60). It remained there during the 300-year period of the biblical judges (the rules of the individual judges total about 350 years [1 Kings 6:1; Acts 13:20], but most ruled regionally and some terms overlapped).

The subsequent history of the structure is separate from that of the Ark of the Covenant. After the Ark was captured by the Philistines, King Saul moved the Tabernacle to Nob, near his home town of Gibeah, but after he massacred the priests there (1 Samuel 21-22), it was moved to Gibeon. (1 Chronicles 16:39; 21:29; 2 Chronicles 1:2-6, 13)

The Ark was eventually brought to Jerusalem, where it was placed "inside the tent David had pitched for it" (2 Samuel 6:17; 1 Chronicles 15:1), not in the Tabernacle, which remained at Gibeon. The altar of the Tabernacle at Gibeon was used for sacrificial worship (1 Chronicles 16:39; 21:29; 1 Kings 3:2-4), until Solomon finally brought the structure and its furnishings to Jerusalem to furnish and dedicate the Temple. (1 Kings 8:4)

There is no mention of the Tabernacle in the Tanakh after the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by the Babylonians in c. 587 BCE. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabernacle

[John2]

Mishnah Eduyot 8:6 is also interesting:

Rabbi Yehoshua said: I heard that we may sacrifice even without the Temple and eat the holy sacrifices even though there are no curtains, and [eat] the regular sacrifices and second tithes even though there is no wall [surrounding Jerusalem] because the first sanctification sanctified [the area] for its time and for the time to come.

http://www.sefaria.org/Mishnah_Eduyot.8.6