Sheshbazzar, Zerubabbel, Nehemiah & Ezra
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:24 pm
I put a lot of work into study of the Books of Ezra-Nehemiah, its Greek version (Lxx Esdras beta & gamma) the end of 2 Chronicles, and 1 Esdras (Lxx Esdras alpha) and have uploaded a table comparing English translations these books (RSV for the MT, Brenton's Septuagint for 1 & 2 Esdras), where they overlap and where they don't to Ben Smith's Text Excavation website (search on my last name, as my stuff tends to be tucked away in the corner). I have also created a file that separates the Sheshbazzar, Zerubbabel, Nehemiah and Ezra stories and puts them into what I think represents their original sequence, which I have not uploaded anywhere, except maybe Scribd.
Many years ago I was encouraged by a stranger on Crosstalk2 (I think) to look at C. C. Torrey's work on Ezra-Nehemiah & 1 Esdras*, which to be honest made sense to me. For a guy who wrote most of his best stuff between 1896 and 1910 (that's 120 - 106 years ago!), he was very expressive in his own gregarious manner even while sharing many of the prejudices of his day.
Of course, EVERYBODY (including every one of us) shares SOME of the prejudices of their/our own day so I just have to look past some of his statements about how deported Israelites made the best damn merchants and financiers in Babylon, or Media, or wherever they were deported to. He is not trying to suggest that there is anything wrong with that - they just did the best they could under the circumstances (it doesn't seem that they were provided any land to farm), but you get the idea.
However, he does not think there were any mass returns in the Persian period, but that much of it was a re-write of history to justify conditions of the period of composition, which he places about the 3rd century BCE.
Torrey agreed with some of his peers who thought that the author of 1 & 2 Chronicles (mainly a re-write of Samuel through 2 Kings) was also the author of the Ezra story, created whole cloth to support his Levite agenda and sense of ethnic exclusiveness. In other words, "Ezra" never existed. The first person stuff was done inconsistently and really shows what a stuffy idiot the Chronicler was, not even being able to effectively maintain the plausibility of his fictional "Ezra" memoirs.
He thinks that the stories of Sheshbazzar and Zerubbabel are pious legends taken out of context (temple building he thinks actually occurred under Darius II) and projected earlier, to the times of Cyrus etc., and not very artfully, drawn from fragmentary sources available to the final redactors.
The only genuine source that was not reworked very extensively was Nehemiah's memoirs.
I have never got around to checking his ideas against mine, and in preparing to do so very recently was surprised to find that I already owned a copy of a book History of New Testament Times: With an Introduction to the Apocrypha, by Robert Pfeiffer (1949), which contained very high praise for Torrey's work in the section on the Apocryphal books dealing with 1 Esdras, and rightly so.
However, checking the web the other day for modern scholarship on the matter of the compositional history of Ezra-Nehemiah-1 Esdras, all I can find was obviously apologetic, and nothing even mentions Torrey. The Wikipedia entry on Ezra-Nehemiah is almost a cheer squad for the God breathed work. No wonder I was met with dead silence when I said off handedly in an e-list discussion that I wanted to study Torrey's proposals more closely.
So I am not sure I really want to wade through the apologetic mire of the rah-rah supporters of orthodoxy (Christian or Jewish). But at least I can read what was written since the 1960s, when this turn came about. There is a chapter on "The Chronicler's History" in Steven L McKenzie & Matt Patrick Graham, eds., The Hebrew Bible Today: An Introduction to Critical Issues (1998). Its a little more even handed but clearly considers Ezra-Nehemiah to be inspired scripture.
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=ow ... &q&f=false
Has anyone else looked into Ezra-Nehemiah and/or 1 Esdras?
DCH
* Principally The Composition and Historical Value of Ezra-Nehemiah (1896) and Ezra Studies (1910), and yes, I own copies and have read them. I believe they are both available online as PDFs at archive.org
Many years ago I was encouraged by a stranger on Crosstalk2 (I think) to look at C. C. Torrey's work on Ezra-Nehemiah & 1 Esdras*, which to be honest made sense to me. For a guy who wrote most of his best stuff between 1896 and 1910 (that's 120 - 106 years ago!), he was very expressive in his own gregarious manner even while sharing many of the prejudices of his day.
Of course, EVERYBODY (including every one of us) shares SOME of the prejudices of their/our own day so I just have to look past some of his statements about how deported Israelites made the best damn merchants and financiers in Babylon, or Media, or wherever they were deported to. He is not trying to suggest that there is anything wrong with that - they just did the best they could under the circumstances (it doesn't seem that they were provided any land to farm), but you get the idea.
However, he does not think there were any mass returns in the Persian period, but that much of it was a re-write of history to justify conditions of the period of composition, which he places about the 3rd century BCE.
Torrey agreed with some of his peers who thought that the author of 1 & 2 Chronicles (mainly a re-write of Samuel through 2 Kings) was also the author of the Ezra story, created whole cloth to support his Levite agenda and sense of ethnic exclusiveness. In other words, "Ezra" never existed. The first person stuff was done inconsistently and really shows what a stuffy idiot the Chronicler was, not even being able to effectively maintain the plausibility of his fictional "Ezra" memoirs.
He thinks that the stories of Sheshbazzar and Zerubbabel are pious legends taken out of context (temple building he thinks actually occurred under Darius II) and projected earlier, to the times of Cyrus etc., and not very artfully, drawn from fragmentary sources available to the final redactors.
The only genuine source that was not reworked very extensively was Nehemiah's memoirs.
I have never got around to checking his ideas against mine, and in preparing to do so very recently was surprised to find that I already owned a copy of a book History of New Testament Times: With an Introduction to the Apocrypha, by Robert Pfeiffer (1949), which contained very high praise for Torrey's work in the section on the Apocryphal books dealing with 1 Esdras, and rightly so.
However, checking the web the other day for modern scholarship on the matter of the compositional history of Ezra-Nehemiah-1 Esdras, all I can find was obviously apologetic, and nothing even mentions Torrey. The Wikipedia entry on Ezra-Nehemiah is almost a cheer squad for the God breathed work. No wonder I was met with dead silence when I said off handedly in an e-list discussion that I wanted to study Torrey's proposals more closely.
So I am not sure I really want to wade through the apologetic mire of the rah-rah supporters of orthodoxy (Christian or Jewish). But at least I can read what was written since the 1960s, when this turn came about. There is a chapter on "The Chronicler's History" in Steven L McKenzie & Matt Patrick Graham, eds., The Hebrew Bible Today: An Introduction to Critical Issues (1998). Its a little more even handed but clearly considers Ezra-Nehemiah to be inspired scripture.
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=ow ... &q&f=false
Has anyone else looked into Ezra-Nehemiah and/or 1 Esdras?
DCH
* Principally The Composition and Historical Value of Ezra-Nehemiah (1896) and Ezra Studies (1910), and yes, I own copies and have read them. I believe they are both available online as PDFs at archive.org