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Re: Christians = Marcionites & Nazarenes = proto-orthodox Xi

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:52 pm
by MrMacSon
ENCYCLOPÆDIA IRANICA on Katir - http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/kartir

eta: Peter K posted previously in this thread - http://www.earlywritings.com/forum/view ... 890#p58890

Re: Christians = Marcionites & Nazarenes = proto-orthodox Xi

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:18 pm
by MrMacSon
If Marcionites were referred to as Christians in the time of Pliny-the-Younger, that, of course, raises the issue of whether he was referring to Marcionites when he wrote about Christians in correspondence with Trajan (Epistulae X.96) when he was Roman Governor of Bithynia-Pontus.

eta:

In 113, Tacitus was [also] governor of Asia (which he had once called "a rich province, easy to extort"; Agricola 6), and after his return, he published his Annals, in which he told about the reigns of Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero.

http://www.livius.org/articles/person/tacitus/
in 112–113 [Tacitus] crowned his administrative career with the proconsulate of Asia .. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ta ... -historian

Re: Christians = Marcionites & Nazarenes = proto-orthodox Xi

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:48 pm
by Secret Alias
What is the term underlying "Nazarenes"? Which Jews? I was trying to find a trajectory that reached Tertullian from a Marcionite context, given he was dealing with Marcion, a context which might explain the Nazarene reference.
FWIW I have often wondered whether the ur-text of Adv Marc was really directed against Marcion per se. Consider Book Three of Adv Marc and the verbatum parallels with Tertullian's Against the Jews. Book Four (and even Book Five) might have been directed against the Jews originally (like Book Three) and then reworked against the Marcionites. Just a thought.