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Is the story of adulterous woman found in Papyrus Egerton?
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:49 am
by Battar Kurdi
Is the story of adulterous woman found in Egerton Papyrus ?
i hear someone claim that the the story of adulterous woman (john 8.1-11) found in Egerton Papyrus !
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Line 47: HKETIA [-----] RTANE > and sin no more
very thanks
Re: Is the story of adulterous woman found in Papyrus Egerto
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:08 am
by Ben C. Smith
Battar Kurdi wrote:i hear someone claim that the the story of adulterous woman (john 8.1-11) found in Egerton Papyrus !
No, it is not found there, though there is some parallel to that story in the fragments ("sin no more" in line 23 of fragment 1 recto; but the story to which this is appended is the healing of a leper). You can check for yourself here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1859. My own translation of the fragments is available, along with that of Ehrman and Plese.
Re: Is the story of adulterous woman found in Papyrus Egerto
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:50 am
by Battar Kurdi
Ben C. Smith wrote:Battar Kurdi wrote:i hear someone claim that the the story of adulterous woman (john 8.1-11) found in Egerton Papyrus !
No, it is not found there, though there is some parallel to that story in the fragments ("sin no more" in line 23 of fragment 1 recto; but the story to which this is appended is the healing of a leper). You can check for yourself here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1859. My own translation of the fragments is available, along with that of Ehrman and Plese.
very thanks Ben.
Re: Is the story of adulterous woman found in Papyrus Egerto
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:19 pm
by arnoldo
Re: Is the story of adulterous woman found in Papyrus Egerto
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:26 pm
by Ben C. Smith
Didymus attributes it to "certain gospels":
φέρομεν οὖν ἔν τισιν εὐαγγελίοις· γυνή, φησίν, κατεκρίθη ὑπὸ τῶν Ἰουδ[αί]ων ἐπὶ ἁμαρτίᾳ καὶ ἀπεστέλλετο λιθοβοληθῆναι εἰς τὸν τόπον, ὅπου εἰώθει γίν[εσθ]αι. ὁ σωτήρ, φησίν, ἑωρακὼς αὐτὴν καὶ θεωρήσας ὅτι ἕτοιμοί εἰσιν πρὸς τὸ λιθ̣[οβολ]ῆ̣σαι αὐτήν, τοῖς μέλλουσιν αὐτὴν καταβαλεῖν λίθοις εἶπεν· “ὃς οὐχ ἥμαρτεν, αἰ[ρέ]τω λίθον καὶ βαλέτω {ε}αὐτόν.” εἴ τις σύνοιδεν ἑαυτῷ τὸ μὴ ἡμαρτηκέναι, λαβὼν λίθον παισάτω αὐτήν. καὶ οὐδεὶς ἐτόλμησεν· ἐπιστήσαντες ἑαυτοῖς καὶ γνόντες, ὅτι καὶ αὐτοὶ ὑπε[ύθυ]νοί εἰσίν τισιν, οὐκ ἐτόλμησαν <καταπταῖσαι> ἐκείνην.
We find therefore in certain gospels: A woman, it says, was condemned by the Jews for a sin and was being sent to be stoned in the place where that was customary to happen. The savior, it says, when he saw her and observed that they were ready to stone her said to those that were about to cast stones: He who has not sinned let him take a stone and cast it. If anyone is conscious in himself not to have sinned let him take up a stone and smite her. And no one dared, since they knew in themselves and perceived that they themselves were guilty in some things they did not dare to strike her.
Eusebius attributes a story like this to the gospel according to the Hebrews, and also says that Papias referenced it.
Re: Is the story of adulterous woman found in Papyrus Egerto
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:43 am
by Battar Kurdi
If this story is found in the books of the Church Fathers or apocrypha
.. Why do we consider it as a witness to their origin in the Bible and do not consider the story was added to the gospel from these sources !!
Re: Is the story of adulterous woman found in Papyrus Egerto
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:25 pm
by Ulan
Battar Kurdi wrote:Why do we consider it as a witness to their origin in the Bible and do not consider the story was added to the gospel from these sources !!
What does "origin in the Bible" mean for you? The NT didn't fall from heaven. Some people wrote those gospels and letters, someone wrote this pericope, and in one of most probably several redactions, the pericope found its way to where it is now.
Obviously, this story was popular, therefore it stayed.
Re: Is the story of adulterous woman found in Papyrus Egerto
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:14 am
by Battar Kurdi
Ulan wrote:What does "origin in the Bible" mean for you?
I mean after the completion of the written !!
people quoted from the Bible Or was entered in the Gospel from the people ?