outhouse wrote:Christians met to worship and pray with Jews until the end of the first century
Then when we get to synagogue, I already explained it to you that it was not like a temple or church, they were simply community centers, SO YOU DID NOT get a bunch of people in a building worshipping together.
You have not explained anything. You have asserted that synagogues were not places where Jews met to read the Torah and perhaps other Jewish writings and to pray.
Josephus tells us about Sardis where Jews gathered to pray in a place set aside for this purpose (Ant. 14.10.24).
Both Josephus (Life 56) and Philo (Flacc. 122) state that outside of Jerusalem there were regular places where Jews met for worship.
Matthew has Jews praying in synagogues (6:5). Luke thinks that Jews read their scriptures in synagogues (4:16 and Acts 13:15).
Please note I am not just asserting things but I am providing references for what I am saying.
outhouse wrote: But where YOU really fail is not understanding the written text. Take Paul, Paul tells you he goes to synagogues and he gest his ass kicked and stoned almost to death because of it.
Please can you let me know where Paul states he teaches in synagogues? I did a quick word search and I could NOT find the words synagogue or synagogues in the letters of Paul. Maybe this is another example of your poor methodology and you are thinking of Acts (or maybe you are thinking of 2 Cor. 11:24, but if you had looked it up you would have discovered no mention of synagogues).
outhouse wrote:Michael BG wrote:
You have NOT provided a case that Peter, James and John were not Christians in some sense.
The onus is on you.
They were Aramaic Galilean Jews who were known to be pious. Factually the only people describing them were Hellenist in the Diaspora.
The onus is not on me. You should know that they are depicted in the New Testament as Christians that is all the evidence I need. Why don’t you attempt to present a stronger case than Bernard Muller does!
outhouse wrote:Michael BG wrote:You have provided no evidence that Christianity was only present among Diaspora Jews.
Lie
ALL of the text we possess is factual evidence only shows Koine speaking Hellenist in the Diaspora wrote about him.
I have evidence, you just don't like it
You have provided no evidence. You have asserted that because we don’t have any texts written in Aramaic this proves that no texts were written by Jewish Christians. Some people believe that part of Q were written in Aramaic and this can be deducted from the Greek texts we have. Also we have some Jewish book only in Greek such as Tobit, Sirach, and 2 Maccabees.
outhouse wrote:Michael BG wrote:You can NOT provide evidence that the term son of God was not applied to Israel, to Jewish kings in the past or even to each Jew.
I can provide evidence the Emperor in the Diaspora was called "son of god" and much of the biblical text parallels the Emperors divinity, as Hellenist in the Diaspora were proselytizing to Roman citizens who were forced to worship a corrupt Emperor as "son of god"
Again you haven’t provided it. But please do not because that evidence is not what is needed. For your theory to be correct you would need to take every use of son of God in the New Testament and make a case that its usage is not based on Jewish usage!
I am wondering if you have ever managed to present a coherent argument backed up with quotations which include what or who you are quoting, plus internet links. I have a vague memory that someone posted that someone here never posted coherent arguments. Perhaps they were talking about you.