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Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:01 pm
by Peter Kirby
ARGUMENT FROM SUETONIUS
(1) Suetonius says nothing about Jesus or Christ at all in any kind of historical terms whatsoever.
(2) Suetonius does mention Christians being blamed for the fire in Rome by Nero.
(3) Suetonius does mentioned disturbances in Rome under Claudius instigated by Chrestus.
(4) Therefore, Jesus existed.
Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:06 pm
by Peter Kirby
ARGUMENT FROM CELSUS
(1) Origen attacks arguments made by Celsus against Christianity.
(2) For a few hundred years, nobody really liked to hear about people who criticized Christianity, so we don't have the text of Celsus anymore.
(3) Origen does make a point of proving the life of John the Baptist by quoting Josephus.
(4) Origen doesn't mention any arguments against the historicity of Jesus as being made by Celsus.
(5) See also the ARGUMENT FROM ROMANS and FROM CULTURE WARS (maybe it was the best tactic for critics to grant historicity as it is today).
(6) Haha! Even the critics of Christianity admit that Christ existed!
(7) Therefore, Jesus existed.
Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:09 pm
by JoeWallack
ARGUMENT FROM THIS LIST
(1) MJs have no arguments that Jesus did not exist.
(2) All MJs can do is try to make fun of arguments that Jesus existed.
(3) Therefore, Jesus existed.
Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:11 pm
by Peter Kirby
ARGUMENT FROM IRRELEVANT OR FAKE STUFF
(1) Oded Golan exists and says some stuff about some box.
(2) Simcha Jacobovici exists and says some stuff about some box.
(3) The Church of the Holy Sepulchre exists and says some stuff about where it's built.
(4) Therefore, Jesus existed.
Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:22 pm
by JoeWallack
ARGUMENT FROM ANTI-SEMITISM
(1) Everyone already knows that Jews are the best Doctors, Lawyers and CPAs.
(2) Jews are even the best anti-semites
Brother (of the Lord) Nathanael
(3) Since the Jews are the best at everything they must also have been the best Christ.
(4) Jesus was a Jewish Christ.
(5) Therefore, Jesus existed.
Argument from absurdity
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:55 pm
by spin
- The stories of Jesus are just so absurd.
- Nobody in their right minds would make them up.
- Everyone I know is in their right minds.
- This means there was nobody to make them up.
- Therefore Jesus must have existed.
Argument from swearing
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:59 pm
by spin
- Everyone I know mentions Jesus each time they swear, often with the strangest of middle names.
- They all acknowledge his existence.
- "Who am I to disagree."
- Therefore, Jesus existed.
Argument from authority
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:09 am
by spin
- Bart Ehrman knows Jesus existed.
- He is a world authority on Jesus.
- He should know.
- Therefore, Jesus existed. (So there!)
Argument from belief
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:32 am
by spin
- I believe.
- Therefore Jesus exists. (Who are you to disagree?)
Another Argument from Earl Doherty
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:45 am
by spin
- Doherty doesn't believe in the existence of Jesus.
- Doherty doesn't have a higher qualification in biblical studies.
- Obviously he doesn't know what he is talking about when he says Jesus didn't exist.
- Therefore, Jesus existed.