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Epiphanius' Marcosian Justification for his Marcion Section

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:08 pm
by Secret Alias
This is my treatise, prefaced in the foregoing selections from the scripture which is still preserved in Marcion's own canon. Anyone who examines its collection (of texts) must be struck with awe at the dispensations of the bountiful God. If every matter is attested and established by three witnesses, how has God granted me, by a dispensation, to put together here, as I said, a sheer total of 78 testimonies from the Gospel, and 40 from the Apostle? And these are preserved in Marcion to this day and not disputed, so that there are 118 altogether, and all contradicting Marcion's own opinion—as though in the person of the Lord's name through eighteen, and in the name of the blessing on its right through the hundred. (Panarion 42.13.1 - 3)
ιη, or 18 = Jesus, plus ἀμήν, or 99. To make 100 texts from the Epistles, the additional text from Laodicaeans must be added to the 99.

Irenaeus on the Marcosians:
And for this reason, because an error occurred in connection with the twelfth number,(3) the sheep frisked off, and went astray; for they assert that a defection took place from the Duodecad. In the same way they oracularly declare, that one power having departed also from the Duodecad, has perished; and this was represented by the woman who lost the drachma,(4) and, lighting a lamp, again found it. Thus, therefore, the numbers that were left, viz., nine, as respects the pieces of money, and eleven in regard to the sheep,(5) when multiplied together, give birth to the number ninety-nine, for nine times eleven are ninety-nine. Wherefore also they maintain the word "Amen" contains this number.

2. I will not, however, weary thee by recounting their other interpretations, that you may perceive the results everywhere. They maintain for instance, that the letter Eta (h) along with the Episemon (e) fifteen are formed; then adding seven to that number, the sum of twenty-two is reached. Next, Eta being added to these, since its value is eight, the most wonderful Triacontad is completed. And hence they give forth that the Ogdoad is the mother of the thirty AEons. Since, therefore, the number thirty is composed of three powers [the Ogdoad, Decad, and Duodecad], when multiplied by three, it produces ninety, for three times thirty are ninety. Likewise this Triad, when multiplied by itself, gives rise to nine. Thus the Ogdoad generates, by these means, ninety-nine. And since the twelfth AEon, by her defection, left eleven in the heights above, they maintain that therefore the position of the letters is a true coordinate of the method of their calculation(6) (for Lambda is the eleventh in order among the letters, and represents the number thirty), and also forms a representation of the arrangement of affairs above, since, on from Alpha, omitting Episemon, the number of the letters up to Lambda, when added together according to the successive value of the letters, and including Zambda itself, forms the sum of ninety-nine; but that this Lambda, being the eleventh in order, descended to seek after one equal to itself, so as to complete the number of twelve letters, and when it found such a one, the number was completed, is manifest from the very configuration of the letter; for Lambda being engaged, as it were, in the quest of one similar to itself, and finding such an one, and clasping it to itself, thus filled up the place of the twelfth, the letter Mu (M) being composed of two Lambdas (L). Wherefore also they, by means of their "knowledge," avoid the place of ninety-nine, that is, the defection--a type of the left hand,(7)--but endeavour to secure one more, which, when added to the ninety and nine, has the effect of changing their reckoning to the right hand.
Epiphanius on the Marcosians:
They say that since the dodecad has the episemon in its train the episemon is (its) accident (πάθος which also means 'passion'). Thus the sheep ran away and got lost when the error was made about the number twelve—since they claim that the defection was from a dodecad. And they discover by divination that one rebellious value was similarly lost from the decad, and this is the woman who lost the drachma, and lit a lamp and found it. After this the numbers that were left—nine in the drachma’s case, eleven in the case of the sheep—were also united and gave birth to the number ninety-nine. For nine times eleven are ninety-nine. They say that this is why 'Amen' yields this total.

But I do not mind telling you their explanations in another way, so you will despise their fruit in every respect. They hold that the sound, eta, is an ogdoad if we include the episemon, since it stands eighth after alpha. Then again, by reckoning up the totals of the sounds themselves without the six and adding them cumulatively through eta, they exhibit the triacontad. For if one enumerates the sounds from alpha through eta, leaving the episemon out and adding cumulatively, he will arrive at the number thirty. The total from alpha through epsilon is fifteen. Then seven added to this makes twenty-two. But when eta, or eight, is added to this, it has completed the wondrous triacontad. And from this they prove that the Ogdoad is the mother of the thirty Aeons. Now since the number thirty is a combination of three numerical values, it was multiplied by three itself and made ninety, for three times thirty are ninety. But the three was also multiplied by itself and generated a nine. And thus, in their view, the Ogdoad gave birth to the ninety-nine.

And since the twelfth Aeon (i.e., the letter mu), when it rebelled, deserted the eleven (letters) before it, they say that the form of the (two) letters (found in the letter mu) is parallel to the shape of the lamda—for lamda, or thirty, is the eleventh letter—and that its place in the alphabet reflects the dispensation (mentioned) above.36 For, omitting the digamma, the sum of the letters themselves from alpha through lamda, added cumulatively with lamda itself included, is ninety-nine. But from the very shape of the sound it is plain that lamda, the eleventh letter, came down in search of its like to make up the number of twelve (letters) and was made complete when it found it. For as though it had come in search of its like, and had found it and clasped it to itself, lamda filled the place of the twelfth letter—the letter mu is composed of two lamdas. And so they escape the ninety-ninth place by knowledge—that is, they escape Deficiency which is counted on the left hand—and reach the One. When this was added to ninety-nine, it moved them to the right hand.37
Odd that Epiphanius should use the 99 = Amen gematria (or isometria) argument of the Marcosians against the Marcionites ... unless the two sects were somehow related (at least in his own mind).

Re: Epiphanius' Marcosian Justification for his Marcion Sect

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:12 pm
by Secret Alias
Also from Book 2:
And not only in the case of this woman have the years of her infirmity (which they affirm to fit in with their figment) been mentioned, but, lo! another woman was also healed, after suffering in like manner for eighteen years; concerning whom the Lord said, "And ought not this daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound during eighteen years, to be set free on the Sabbath-day?"(1) If, then, the former was a type of the twelfth Aeon that suffered, the latter should also be a type of the eighteenth Aeon in suffering. But they cannot maintain this; otherwise their primary and original Ogdoad will be included in the number of Aeons who suffered together. Moreover, there was also a certain other person(2) healed by the Lord, after he had suffered for eight-and-thirty years: they ought therefore to affirm that the Aeon who occupies the thirty-eighth place suffered. For if they assert that the things which were done by the Lord were types of what took place in the Pleroma, the type ought to be preserved throughout. But they can neither adapt to their fictitious system the case of her who was cured after eighteen years, nor of him who was cured after thirty-eight years. Now, it is in every way absurd and inconsistent to declare that the Saviour preserved the type in certain cases, while He did not do so in others. The type of the woman, therefore, [with the issue of blood] is shown to have no analogy to their system of Aeons
And this is immediately followed by a lengthy discussion of Jesus's name ...

Re: Epiphanius' Marcosian Justification for his Marcion Sect

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:17 pm
by davidbrainerd
First SA says Epiphanius is the biggest liar whoever lived. Then he uses Epiphanius to further his nutty theory that every sect with the sound "marc" in it somewhere was his ancestral gematria gnosticism his grandpapy taught him on his knee.

Re: Epiphanius' Marcosian Justification for his Marcion Sect

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:02 pm
by Secret Alias
I don't understand the "I think" Epiphanius tells untruths business. The list is compiled from scholars and things said about Epiphanius by scholars in publications. Oh I forgot you're a Trumpite. There are no facts just fake news. Too bad you haven't investigated if that's true with regards to suicide. Maybe it's "fake news" too that suicide leads to death.

Re: Epiphanius' Marcosian Justification for his Marcion Sect

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:05 pm
by Secret Alias
Maybe as a Trumpite you don't like discussing gematria because its a "Jew thing." Unfortunately the parallel is there and I am asking why it is there.

Re: Epiphanius' Marcosian Justification for his Marcion Sect

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:16 pm
by davidbrainerd
Secret Alias wrote:Maybe as a Trumpite you don't like discussing gematria because its a "Jew thing."
Trump loves Jews. He's trying to move the embassy to Jerusalem. His son in law is a Jew, and he put him way up in the government. His daughter converted to Judaism and he treats her as nearly a co-president.

You're just mad that Trump exited the stupid Paris Agreement that had nothing to do with the environment or the climate but just with robbing the American tax payers blind and sending trillions to an overseas black hole that the EU probably was planning to use to pay suicide bombers to kill Jews in Israel.