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Luke 10:18 as anti-marcionite point
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:36 am
by Giuseppe
Luke 10:17-24
17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”
18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”
The exorcisms in Mcn are interpreted as evidence that the angel Jesus is descended from heaven, for the first time on the Earth.
Now instead is another angel to descend on the Earth: Satan.
his Fall then is not His creation: Satan ceases to be the creator of this world.
But the Gnostics said that the Creation was really a Fall.
Re: Luke 10:18 as anti-marcionite point
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:41 am
by Giuseppe
For the Gnostics, the Fall of Satan corresponds to his Creation of this world, the beginning of the his rule on it.
For the Catholics, the Fall of Satan seen by Jesus represents the coming end of the his rule on the world.
Re: Luke 10:18 as anti-marcionite point
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:59 am
by lsayre
Giuseppe wrote:
Luke 10:17-24
17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”
18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”
This sounds like material found within the extended ending of Mark. Is this also an interpolation?
Re: Luke 10:18 as anti-marcionite point
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:06 am
by davidbrainerd
lsayre wrote:Giuseppe wrote:
Luke 10:17-24
17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”
18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”
This sounds like material found within the extended ending of Mark. Is this also an interpolation?
Isn't it generally understood as such?