MrMacSon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:19 am
There's a Jesus in the gospel-story, but
if Mark 1:1 —> Mark 16:7 —> Mark 1:1 —> Mark 16:7, it's circular
and that lends itself to (i) being reinforcing and (ii) to being modified or added to, though of course it's easy to say that b/c that's almost certainly what happened eg. (1) Mark 16:9-20 (and the occasional extra verse between v.8 and v.9 noted in the OP), and (2) the *Ev:
Both BeDuhn and Klinghardt (in his 2018 book, at least) have, in each and both their versions of *Ev, unnamed women return to the tomb and have
two men in there, in shining/dazzling clothes, who say to the women, "Why are you looking for the living among the dead? Remember when he spoke to you [(a)
a/(b)
b] [saying] it is necessary that the Human Being
a/Son of Man
b be handed over and be staked
a/crucified
b and awaken
a/rise
b on the third day"
a BeDuhn,
The First New Testament, 2013. (a) = "
in Galilee"
b Klinghardt,
The Oldest Gospel, 2018. (b) = "when he was still with you"
Both BeDuhn and Klinghardt have the two women return to tell others
in contrast to Mark 16:8 -
BeDuhn has them telling "all these things" to 'the pupils'"; [ single quotation marks added by me]
Klinghardt has them telling "all of this to the {apostles} and to all the others, Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary (the wife) of James." (sic)
They weren't believed, of course.
and BeDuhn and Klinghardt have Jesus in
their *Evs then appearing to Cleopas alone (BeDuhn) or "Emmaus {and Cleopas}" (Klinghardt) who did not recognize him for a while, until they received bread from him ...
Most of what DeDuhn and Klinghardt recount is in 'our' Luke 24, although
there, ie. in Luke 24:13, Emmaus is a village
Luke 24 (the final chapter in Luke)
13 Now that same day two of them [two of the apostles most likely] were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16 but they were kept from recognizing him.
17 He asked them, “What are you discussing together as you walk along?”
They stood still, their faces downcast. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, “Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?”
19 “What things?” he asked.
“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”
25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And, beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
28 As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29 But they urged him strongly, “Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.
30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, [yet] he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34 and saying, “It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.” 35 Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.
Huh? Why does Simon get specified
here? Where does he come from?
eta: Simon 'of Cyrene' who was co-opted to carry the cross (Lk 23:16)
? Why is he the one chosen for
this revelation?
36 While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”
37 They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38 He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.
44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”
50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them. 51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven. 52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy. 53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.
Again, a revelation associated with food, in this case fish, which he ate: v.30 only has Jesus breaking and giving them bread.
Again, references to the Judaic scriptures.
An elaboration on Mark ... as is Matthew ...
