Is the Gospel Narrative a Conspiracy Theory?

[Joseph D. L.]

I put myself in Mythicist paradigma, that claims that the Gospels euhemerized a previous mythical Jesus crucified in lower heavens. Hence, it is the paradigm itself to require a primary impulse, the more parsimonious possible, behind the first gospel. Secondary reasons listed by you are for the Gospel details, obviously, as separationism in proto-Mark, etc.

The Gospels are not Euhemerizations though and there is no evidence of a mythical Jesus/Joshua cult that believed in a crucifixion in the celestial realm. (No, not even Ascension of Isaiah). Separationism is concisely anti-Euhemerist.

[Giuseppe]

I put myself in Mythicist paradigma, that claims that the Gospels euhemerized a previous mythical Jesus crucified in lower heavens. Hence, it is the paradigm itself to require a primary impulse, the more parsimonious possible, behind the first gospel. Secondary reasons listed by you are for the Gospel details, obviously, as separationism in proto-Mark, etc.

The Gospels are not Euhemerizations though and there is no evidence of a mythical Jesus/Joshua cult that believed in a crucifixion in the celestial realm. (No, not even Ascension of Isaiah). Separationism is concisely anti-Euhemerist.

no wonder you talk so, here, since you are so similar to Tim O'Neill's forma mentis et operandi. I can recognize identical character features from 1000 miles of distance.

I am sorry if you suffer from complex of inferiority in relation to Carrier and Doherty.

Think about the fact that none on this forum has been able to persuade me that Jesus in Paul was crucified on earth. No, it's worse than that. People here, like Ben, had prayed me to give up to sublunar death theory. I am using the term "to pray". Correctly, I think.

[Joseph D. L.]

no wonder you talk so, here, since you are so similar to Tim O'Neill's forma mentis et operandi. I can recognize identical character features from 1000 miles of distance.

I am sorry if you suffer from complex of inferiority in relation to Carrier and Doherty.

All of this is irrelevant. I don't even think about Carrier or Doherty. They're hucksters, and you're a sucker.

Think about the fact that none on this forum has been able to persuade me that Jesus in Paul was crucified on earth. No, it's worse than that. People here, like Ben, had prayed me to give up to sublunar death theory. I am using the term "to pray". Correctly, I think.

You didn't even attempt to substantiate anything that you claim. No one is oblige to consider your pet theories.

Evidence, or stfu.

[Giuseppe]

Evidence? Do you ask evidence?

Then I ask yourself: if even in the future Parusia Paul will meet the Lord only "in the air" (meaning that the Lord will not descend on earth even by that time), then please give me a good reason to think that the Archons crucified the Lord of Glory on earth and not in heaven.

As to Carrier, his new book :



...will be on my table next 11 september.

[Secret Alias]

You know what my problem with Carrier's approach is? What is important to Carrier - people and things living and acting in 'outer space' - wasn't important for Jews or ancient people. It's like writing a book 2000 years from now assuming Americans cared about French grammar.

[Joseph D. L.]

Then I ask yourself: if even in the future Parusia Paul will meet the Lord only "in the air" (meaning that the Lord will not descend on earth even by that time), then please give me a good reason to think that the Archons crucified the Lord of Glory on earth and not in heaven.

Archons don't crucify Jesus, not even in Paul.

Here's how it works:

• Paul is "spirited" to the Third Heaven

• Paul is either crucified with Isu Chrestus, or possibly on Isu Chrestus

• He and Isu Chrestus become one

But this isn't literal. This is Paul trying to give himself legitimacy as the Apostle of Chrestus/Christ, and no other Christians, Jews, Gentiles, Gnostics, etc, thought Jesus was crucified in the celestial realm. Paul is saying that only he himself knows Jesus and that everyone else claiming to are fraudsters. Hence why in later traditions Peter is crucified, because it's attempting to pull attention away from Paul.

And also, Lukuas was crucified on earth. So what more do you want?

[Joseph D. L.]

But this means that Paul's theology is strictly a predominantly Jewish construct. Isu Chrestus is just a variant of the angel Man, who transformed Jacob into Israel after holding on to his member. Remember Paul's "thorn in his flesh"? That's Jacob's "hollow of his thigh" being strained, or put out of place.

Yashar and stadios both mean the same thing, to stand straight before God. That's probably what Paul meant when he said that he was "crucified" as stadios and stauros are not too dissimilar.

[Joseph D. L.]

BTW Giuseppe I am curious about your avatar. Are you supposed to be the 'white' player desperately fending off the 'black' - representing I suppose mythicism standing valiantly against the forces of rationality or is it the other way around?

If you don't mind me asking, who is that in your avatar? I have actually spent a couple hours trying to reverse search the image and find out on my own. :S

[Giuseppe]

What is important to Carrier - people and things living and acting in 'outer space' - wasn't important for Jews or ancient people.

Sure?

Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Iyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities.

https://sites.fas.harvard.edu/~jwhst125 ... Ananus.htm

If chariots and troops and armor are in outer space, then even more so a tree and some nails.

[Secret Alias]

That's your argument?