Re: Marcionite agreements with Matthew against Luke?
Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:00 pm
The problem has always been no one has ever asked, is our canon fake?
"More easily, therefore, may heaven and earth pass away----as also the law and the prophets----than that one tittle of the Lord's words should fail."
see also AD 2.15, when the Marcionite champion Marcus says (English, Greek, Rufinus Latin)
The Judaizers wrote this,
I did not come to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it.
But Christ did not speak this way. He says,
I did not come to fulfill the Law but to destroy it.
τοῦτο οἱ Ἰουδαϊσταὶ ἔργαψαν,
τὸ οὐκ ἦλθον καταλῦσαι τὸν νόμον ἀλλὰ πληρῶσαι·
οὐκ οὕτως δὲ εἶπεν ὁ Χριστός, λέγει γάρ·
οὐκ ἦλθον πληρῶσαι τὸν νόμον ἀλλὰ καταλῦσαι.
Hoc illi scripsurent qui iudaizabant, hoc est:
Non veni solvere legem sed admiplere.
Christis autem non uta dixit, sed ita dicit:
Non veni adimplere legem sed solvere.
I did not come to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it.
But Christ did not speak this way. He says,
I did not come to fulfill the Law but to destroy it.
τοῦτο οἱ Ἰουδαϊσταὶ ἔργαψαν,
τὸ οὐκ ἦλθον καταλῦσαι τὸν νόμον ἀλλὰ πληρῶσαι·
οὐκ οὕτως δὲ εἶπεν ὁ Χριστός, λέγει γάρ·
οὐκ ἦλθον πληρῶσαι τὸν νόμον ἀλλὰ καταλῦσαι.
Hoc illi scripsurent qui iudaizabant, hoc est:
Non veni solvere legem sed admiplere.
Christis autem non uta dixit, sed ita dicit:
Non veni adimplere legem sed solvere.
also Irenaeus in Omnium Haeresium Refutio1.27.2
But Jesus being derived from that father who is above the God that made the world, and coming into Judea in the times of Pontius Pilate the governor, who was the procurator of Tiberius Caesar, was manifested in the form of a man to those who were in Judea, abolishing the prophets and the law, and all the works of that God who made the world, whom also he calls Cosmocrator.
Iesum autem ab eo Patre, qui est super mundi fabricatorem Deum, venientem in Iudaeam temporibus Pontii Pilati praesidis, qui fuit procurator Tiberii Caesaris, in hominis forma manifestatum his qui in Iudaea erant, dissolventem prophetas, et Legem, et omnia opera eius Dei qui mundum fecit, quem et Cosmocratorem dicit.
Iesum autem ab eo Patre, qui est super mundi fabricatorem Deum, venientem in Iudaeam temporibus Pontii Pilati praesidis, qui fuit procurator Tiberii Caesaris, in hominis forma manifestatum his qui in Iudaea erant, dissolventem prophetas, et Legem, et omnia opera eius Dei qui mundum fecit, quem et Cosmocratorem dicit.
also pseudo Hegemonius commenting on the Manichean's position in Acta Archelai 40
When I heard such a sentiment propounded, I repeated to the people that sentence of the Gospel in which our Lord Jesus Christ said of Himself: “I have not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it.” The man, however, averred that He did not utter this saying at all; for he held that when we find that He did abrogate that same law.
Ego audiens dicebam ei sermonem euangelicum, quomodo dixit dominus noster Iesus Christus: Non veni solvere legem, sed ad inplere. Ille vero ait nequaquam eum hunc dixisse sermonem; cum enim ipsam inveniamus eum resolvisse legem
Ego audiens dicebam ei sermonem euangelicum, quomodo dixit dominus noster Iesus Christus: Non veni solvere legem, sed ad inplere. Ille vero ait nequaquam eum hunc dixisse sermonem; cum enim ipsam inveniamus eum resolvisse legem
Luke would have changed 16:17 to conform to Matthew 5:18 as part of the rewrite, as this was a position he could not let stand.
It appears from the Church father writings that Matthew 5:18 was written specifically to refute the Marcionite reading of Luke 16:17 (which read closer to 21:33).