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Re: Jesus / Christ in all of the NT: Matthew and Mark
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:03 pm
by Jax
Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:49 pm
Jax wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:33 pm
Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:49 am
Jax wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:16 am
Would Theosoteros be right though? Just checking my grasp of Greek.
Well, it looks like you are going for something like θεός σωτήρ, right? (God is Savior.) So the -os ending does not belong there, does it? (In Θεόδοτος, the two elements are θεός + δοτός, noun + adjective; the -os ending is part of the word.) Also, θεός/God is not quite the same as Yahweh, the personal name of the Jewish deity.
Ok cool. Theosotos. That makes sense. Just out of curiosity how would you write Yahweh is Savior in coine?
Sorry to be a pest. I just can't pass up any opportunity to learn from someone who knows what they are doing.
Well, Yahweh was rarely rendered in Greek after a certain period (in most manuscripts of the LXX/OG it is rendered as Lord/Κύριος), but there is some evidence (4Q120, for example) that it was rendered as Ἰάω in very early LXX/OG manuscripts. So....
Σωτήρ ὁ Ἰάω (ἐστίν). Iaō (is) Savior.
(Linking verbs are often omitted in Greek.)
This is cool, I actually knew what estin was, yay me!
So Iaosoter? Could it be made into a proper name?
Feel free to tell me to bugger off any time. I don't want to use up time you could be putting to constructive use.
Re: Jesus / Christ in all of the NT: Matthew and Mark
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:09 pm
by Ben C. Smith
Jax wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:03 pmSo Iaosoter? Could it be made into a proper name?
Feel free to tell me to bugger off any time. I don't want to use up time you could be putting to constructive use.
Ha ha. All is fine.
Iaо̄sо̄tēr? Seems like it could be possible. Theophoric names can be made in a variety of ways.
Here is the relevant fragment of 4Q120, incidentally:
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I think Ἰάω actually sounds pretty cool as a divine name. All vowels, no consonants to ground us.
Re: Jesus / Christ in all of the NT: Matthew and Mark
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:13 pm
by Jax
Right on.
Re: Jesus / Christ in all of the NT: Matthew and Mark
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:14 pm
by Jax
Or rather Yao.
Re: Jesus / Christ in all of the NT: Matthew and Mark
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:15 pm
by Ben C. Smith
How has the Greek study been coming along, Lane?
Re: Jesus / Christ in all of the NT: Matthew and Mark
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:20 pm
by Jax
Well I doubt that I'll ever really be very proficient at it but when I encounter it I at least try to read it as a language. At least sound out the words even if I don't know what they mean.
It'll be a life long pursuit.
Re: Jesus / Christ in all of the NT: Matthew and Mark
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:21 pm
by Jax
This is why I value your input so much.
Re: Jesus / Christ in all of the NT: Matthew and Mark
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:23 pm
by Ben C. Smith
Jax wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:21 pm
This is why I value your input so much.
Heh, thanks. It is an intricate and rewarding language.
Re: Jesus / Christ in all of the NT: Matthew and Mark
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:30 pm
by Jax
For me it's main value is allowing me to better understand the mindset of the people who wrote the early texts without a possibly biased interpretation getting in the way of that understanding. It's a tool that I don't really need to fully master to use to my advantage.
Re: Jesus / Christ in all of the NT: Matthew and Mark
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:45 pm
by Ben C. Smith
Jax wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:30 pm
For me it's main value is allowing me to better understand the mindset of the people who wrote the early texts without a possibly biased interpretation getting in the way of that understanding. It's a tool that I don't really need to fully master to use to my advantage.
Better understanding the mindset is a definite advantage.
