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The fact that most scholars can't easily connect various passages about the heresies in the various Patristic writers means that they aren't very good at what they do.

And that the group here attacked by Tertullian is Marcion is recognized by Moll:

This rebuke of Peter by Paul seems to have been of great importance to Marcion, as not only does Tertullian refer to it four times in his works against him36, but it already had been discussed in Irenaeus37. Furthermore, the general ignorance of Peter apparently also was an issue Marcion frequently referred to.38 Marcion supposed that when Jesus, after Peter's exclamation "You are the Christ of God" (Lk. 9:20), ordered him and the other Apostles to tell this to no one, he did so because Peter erroneously regarded him as the Messiah of the Creator39.

De praescr. 23,1-5; Adv. Marc. 1.20,2, etc

Here is an interview with Jason BeDuhn on his Marcion book:

http://religionforlife.podomatic.com/en ... 6_20-08_00

The pre-existent texts theory is not as attractive to me as dual Euangelion/Apostolikon priority. That both texts originated at roughly the same time from the same church would solve a lot of problems. The apostles are portrayed as idiots because Marcion wanted his guy (Paul) to be the only recognized apostle. The epistles are mostly silent about the gospel Jesus because they are supposed to be read sequentially right after the (single) gospel. When Paul refers to "my gospel" he is referring to the Euangelion that the person just read. This fits together better than independent authorship of the epistles in the 50s and the gospel in the 70s or later.

This scenario wouldn't be possible with pre-existent gospel texts, since the apostles-are-idiots theme depends upon reading the Apostolikon to understand why.

Stephan Huller wrote:The fact that most scholars can't easily connect various passages about the heresies in the various Patristic writers means that they aren't very good at what they do.

Much of the time, it's the humanities taken to its unfortunate conclusion... the goal of the game is to connect various passages from other, similarly serious scholars (publishing later than 1945, preferably later than 1970) in order to support your point... whatever that happens to be before you start your "research."

Blood wrote:Here is an interview with Jason BeDuhn on his Marcion book:

http://religionforlife.podomatic.com/en ... 6_20-08_00

Thanks for the link. Nice little interview. I've just started on BeDuhn's book.