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The 'Paul' of Acts is not Paul

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:00 am
by MrMacSon
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Michael Kochenash (2019) 'Better Call Paul “Saul”: Literary Models and a Lukan Innovation' JBL 138, no. 2: 433–449

This article argues that Luke’s characterization of Saul as a god-fighter can be read as modelled on the biblical King Saul and on Pentheus from Euripides’s Bacchae,and that the characterization of 'Paul' in Acts 13:4–17:15 can be read as modelled on the Bacchae’s Dionysus ... appealing to the Bacchae as a literary model avoids a weakness of similar interpretations of the name Saul, which date to the early church, that it is a reference to King Saul. Saul remains “Saul” after the Damascus Road experience in order to demonstrate the appropriate response of one found to be a god-fighter, emulating Pentheus’s model.



V. Conclusion
Luke initially characterizes 'Paul'—calling him “Saul”—as a god-fighter who persecutes the early church and even Jesus himself1 (whom Luke identifies as both the Son of God and the son of David). This characterization appears to be modelled on both King Saul—Israel’s first king who persecuted David—and Pentheus from Euripides’s Bacchae, the archetypal god-fighter who persecuted Dionysus, the son of Zeus. Saul/Paul’s characterization—and name—changes in Acts 13, where he becomes instead a herald of Jesus. This transitional episode can itself be read as a reconfigured reception of the Bacchae: 'Paul' becomes a Dionysus figure, but Sergius Paulus—whom readers might expect, being a civic ruler, to play the role of Pentheus—is receptive to Paul’s message, and the prophet [Elymas]2—whom readers might expect to be receptive like Tiresias—opposes Paul.

....[ 1 Acts 9:4–5; 22:7–8; 26:14–15 ]

Luke thus exemplifies opposition to 'Paul’s' gentile mission with a Jewish false prophet [Βαριησού | Bar-Jesus; Acts 13:6], indicating to readers with the appropriate cultural competence that opposition to gentile inclusion is akin to Pentheus’s opposition to Dionysus—and will incur comparable consequences. Luke continues to characterize 'Paul' as a Dionysian herald until the middle of Acts 17, when the characterization shifts from Dionysian to Socratic.

While my interpretation echoes those of Jerome and Augustine by correlating Luke’s identification of Saul of Tarsus with King Saul, portraying them as persecutors, it avoids a major critique of the patristic theories by also reading Luke’s characterizations of Saul/Paul as imitating the plot of Euripides’s Bacchae. The pre-Cyprus characterization of 'Paul', wherein he is named Saul, continues beyond his Damascus Road encounter with Jesus. The brief narratives following Saul’s blinding provide him with the opportunity to rival—and best—the most famous god-fighter, Pentheus. Whereas Pentheus persisted in his persecution of Dionysus, resulting in his own tragic death, Saul models the proper response of one whose activity is revealed as god-fighting. Beginning in Acts 13, Luke inaugurates a new characterization [as] 'Paul'—not as a reformed Pentheus or King Saul figure, but as a Dionysian herald who is himself opposed. This opposition—taking the form of [the] Jewish false prophet [Βαριησού]2 in Acts 13:4–12—necessitates a new name to match a new identity, a name and identity already known to Luke’s readers: Paul the apostle to the gentiles.


.2 [previously in the article] In Paphos, they encounter “a certain man, a magician, a Jewish false prophet named Bar-Jesus” (13:6). Luke locates Bar-Jesus with the Cypriot proconsul, Sergius Paulus, “an intelligent man” who summons Saul and Barnabas because he “sought to hear the word of God” (13:7). A confrontation ensues as “Elymas the magician (for thus his name is translated) opposed them, seeking to turn the pro-consul from the faith” (13:8). Luke then introduces a second name for Saul, “who was also called Paul” (13:9), and reports his response, a caustic rebuke of Bar-Jesus/Elymas that plays both with the etymology of his name and with his prophetic status, culminating with Paul pronouncing that Bar-Jesus/Elymas will be blinded for a certain amount of time (13:9–11).42 Bar-Jesus/Elymas is promptly blinded, and Sergius Paulus is not turned from the faith (13:12).

https://www.academia.edu/37517701/Bette ... Innovation



Re: The 'Paul' of Acts is not Paul

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:24 pm
by yakovzutolmai
Acts names Lukuas of Cyrene as among the brethren at Antioch. Of course, Lukuas of Cyrene led the Jewish rebels in 115 AD and couldn't be the same person in Antioch in the 40s.

Well, is that the correct explanation, or is Acts false history and Lukuas in Acts is meant to be connected with some memory of Lukuas of the Kitos War?

If the later is true, and it seems likely giving Luke-Acts an Alexandrian origin, then it means that the narrative was compiled by people in Alexandria a good amount of time after 115 AD.

Lukuas and his rebels basically massacred Alexandria so it's doubtful they'd think highly of him. It would almost have to come a generation later, once the pain subsided and a new generation of curious Christians began to venerate the old rebel and his mysterious, intriguing cause. Someone wanted to pose as this Lukuas, and so they wrote Luke-Acts and inserted the figure into the apostolic narrative.

As far as I'm concerned, this document couldn't have come before 135 AD. Probably later.

Seeing how fast and loose "Luke" is with the character Luke, no surprise it plays games with Paul.

My theory is that Paul was written by someone posing as "Paul" who was someone of importance at the time but whose importance has been lost to us. I'm guessing Paul was Ananus ben Ananus, but the author of the epistles was merely invoking the name. Posing as Ananus, invoking his authority, pretending to speak on his behalf. I seen Ananus as the leader of the Alexandrian, cosmopolitan Jewish opinion, opposed to the radical Christian Jews. So the author of Paul is posing as Ananus to describe a doctrine that is competing with radical early Christianity. The author of course is not Ananus himself. Paul is invoked because of the famous conflict between Ananus and James, the infamy of which leaks into the epistles and merits treatment in Acts.

Re: The 'Paul' of Acts is not Paul

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:11 am
by MrMacSon
There are no graphics in this video iirc so it can be listened to like a podcast
Start at ~4 minutes in


Re: The 'Paul' of Acts is not Paul

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:47 pm
by Leucius Charinus
The Four Pauls of James Tabor and Ferdinand Christian Baur

Tabor:

"Thirteen of the New Testament’s twenty-seven documents are letters with Paul’s name as the author, and a fourteenth, the book of Acts, is mainly devoted to the story of Paul’s life and career—making up over half the total text. An English copy of the New Testament, Revised Standard Version, with text only and no notes or references, runs 284 pages total. The thirteen letters attributed to Paul, plus the book of Acts, add up to 109 pages of the total—just over one-third."

Tabor:

" the quest for the historical Paul began almost simultaneously, inaugurated by the German scholar Ferdinand Christian Baur.[ii] Baur put his finger squarely on the problem: There are four different “Pauls” in the New Testament, not one, and each is quite distinct from the others. New Testament scholars today are generally agreed on this point.

In summary:

1) Authentic or Early Paul: 1 Thessalonians, Galatians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Romans, Philippians, and Philemon (50s-60s A.D.)
2) Disputed Paul or Deutero-Pauline: 2 Thessalonians, Ephesians, Colossians (80-100 A.D.)
3) Pseudo–Paul or the Pastorals: 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus (80-100 A.D.)
4) Tendentious or Legendary Paul: Acts of the Apostles (90-130 A.D.)


QUESTION:

Are Tabor and Baur too polite to introduce the 5th Paul:

5) Piously forged or Fraudulent Paul. We find the 5th Paul in the forged letter exchange between Paul and Seneca.

Re: The 'Paul' of Acts is not Paul

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:38 pm
by MrMacSon
Leucius Charinus wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:47 pm
The Four Pauls of James Tabor and Ferdinand Christian Baur

Tabor:

" ... a fourteenth, the book of Acts, is mainly devoted to the story of Paul’s life and career ... "

" ... German scholar Ferdinand Christian Baurput his finger squarely on the problem: there are four different “Pauls” in the New Testament, not one, and each is quite distinct from the others. New Testament scholars today are generally agreed on this point.

In summary:
  1. Authentic or Early Paul: 1 Thessalonians, Galatians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Romans, Philippians, and Philemon (50s-60s A.D.)
  2. Disputed Paul or Deutero-Pauline: 2 Thessalonians, Ephesians, Colossians (80-100 A.D.)
  3. Pseudo–Paul or the Pastorals: 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus (80-100 A.D.)
  4. Tendentious or Legendary Paul: Acts of the Apostles (90-130 A.D.)
The Original Post above is about (4): Saul-Paul

I would appreciate if people commenting on this thread would read the paper* in the OP and/or watch the video posted above and comment on the premises, propositions and arguments therein or, of course, on other ideas about this.

* https://www.academia.edu/37517701/Bette ... Innovation

Leucius Charinus wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:47 pm
QUESTION:

Are Tabor and Baur too polite to introduce the 5th Paul:

5) Piously forged or Fraudulent Paul. We find the 5th Paul in the forged letter exchange between Paul and Seneca.



Re: The 'Paul' of Acts is not Paul

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:50 am
by davidmartin
I've argued for a historical Paul quite a bit, so I decided to try something different and take seriously the idea of many here that he wasn't
I don't know if it's of any interest or value

Let's say 'Paul' wasn't historical then he might be based on a legendary figure or archetype who did exist, one such figure we know of is Menander
"the primary power continues unknown to all but that he himself is the person who has been sent forth from the presence of the invisible beings as a savior, for the deliverance of men"
That sounds a lot like Paul
So could Marcion have based 'his Paul' on something like whatever Menander was saying, or used his legend to create him? After all Marcion was said to have inherited his teaching from Cerdo, a similar kind of mystical type

Following from this the implication would seem to be that Marcion based his Paul on himself and his own battles together with whatever he blended from his sources
Some on here have noted the epistles and gospel Marcion uses don't fit his supposed dualism perfectly, then perhaps Marcion wasn't as dualist as is thought, maybe he was actually taking a step back from the dualism of his sources and the later Marcionites create the anti-thesis as they become more dualist over time, perhaps a split occurred over this?

I'm obviously suggesting Marcion was active circa late 1st century and dating him this early in order to give enough time for a) his later followers to become more dualist b) his writings of Paul to gain wider acceptance free of Marcion c) Some decades to pass from the legendary precursor
Thus in the Acts, Paul's run in with Elymas is a coded attempt to disassociate him from rumours circulating about his origins. Acts is separating Marcion from Paul

As for the 'Judaisers' Paul runs into, these are Marcion's opponents in his time like Cerinthus. I guess that's the Paul=Marcion thought experiment as best i can see what people seem to be arguing for with a non-historical Paul
I suppose i can see how it could work but so does a historical Paul not obvious to me how anyone could say which is the more likely!