John T, there are more things to learn about in life, the universe and everything than what you'll find in a single book with your preferred authority telling you how to interpret it.
Neil, you should take the time to read every book and blog comment on what Brodie has to say about how he was a Christian before he became a mythicist priest, then get back to me.
John T wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:47 amThe Mythicist Agenda.
"What is driving the mythicists agenda? ...It is no accident that virtually all mythicists (in fact, all of them, to my knowledge) are either atheists or agnostics....Their agenda is religious, and they are complicit in a religious ideology. They are not doing history; they are doing theology."...pg 336-338 Did Jesus Exist? by Dr. Ehrman.
Ehman's Agenda ?
Ehrman claims that mythicists are akin to holocaust denialists which only goes to establish that his knowledge and application of the historical method is not only deficient but pretty well screwed up. This contention is clearly demonstrated by his claims and abysmal treatment of NT primary historical sources in that book. Ehrman's deficient methodology is derived from a pulpit mentality amplified from within the bubble of the religious INDUSTRY within which the flock live and move and have their being.
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John T, there are more things to learn about in life, the universe and everything than what you'll find in a single book with your preferred authority telling you how to interpret it.
Neil, you should take the time to read every book and blog comment on what Brodie has to say about how he was a Christian before he became a mythicist priest, then get back to me.
Well, Brodie has a lot to say about his time as a Christian before he became a mythicist -- while still remaining a Christian. Since you know what is in B's book without having to read it or even the chapter summaries of it, you no doubt can tell me what Brodie has said about his Christian-priest career that he does not say or outline in the book Chris and I are asking you to read -- though what a waste of time: you have no need to read what you know without learning anything new.
John T, there are more things to learn about in life, the universe and everything than what you'll find in a single book with your preferred authority telling you how to interpret it.
Neil, you should take the time to read every book and blog comment on what Brodie has to say about how he was a Christian before he became a mythicist priest, then get back to me.
Well, Brodie has a lot to say about his time as a Christian before he became a mythicist -- while still remaining a Christian. Since you know what is in B's book without having to read it or even the chapter summaries of it, you no doubt can tell me what Brodie has said about his Christian-priest career that he does not say or outline in the book Chris and I are asking you to read -- though what a waste of time: you have no need to read what you know without learning anything new.
I actually submitted an article for review on the topic of mythicist Christians. So perhaps in the near future there will be one ready there as well. Forgot about your excellent blogs on the subject. Too bad John has no tolerance for reading anything shorter than a 20 word blog post.
Do you expect that it will get published? If so, when and where?
neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:04 pm
Well, Brodie has a lot to say about his time as a Christian before he became a mythicist -- while still remaining a Christian.
Well, that false statement proves you don't know his complete history. Sadly, all you had to do was just a few minutes of research to know better.
That is why I insist when dealing with mythicists that the best argument be presented first with citations.
No more red herrings.
No more self-promotions.
Just the facts please.
Ulan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:00 pm
The whole premise of this thread is based on a lack of mental clarity.
Let me help you with your lack of mental clarity.
You don't have to be a theist to be a theologian.
While we are at it, just because you are in denial of Christian history doesn't make you an atheist.
Got it?
I didn't think so, most mythicists lack mental clarity.
As usual, your reply has nothing to do with the points I raised.
And what your assumption that most mythicists lacked mental clarity would have to do with the exchange is also a head-scratcher. But given your posting history, I guess that's due to your habit of labeling everyone who objects to anything you say a mythicist.
In the end, that also reflects poorly on your thread, because you use the word at the center of the alleged topic of this thread as an insult you stripped of any meaning. Then again, that becomes already clear in your first post, so this lack of meaning is at least consistent. It's a "John T thread" after all.
As a reminder to everyone, not the least to myself, why engaging with John T isn't worth it, here a summary of a legendary exchange by Ben C. Smith: viewtopic.php?p=91803#p91803
"I am leaving this post here and bookmarking it in my browser as a reminder of your methods (if they can even be called such) the next time I am tempted to engage you on this forum. The last time you behaved this way you claimed that you were just imitating mythicists; but now it seems clear that this is par for the course for you; it is your standard behavior toward people who do not immediately agree with you."
Chris Hansen wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:24 am
Literally, the most prominent mythicist debate in history was headed, funded, and organized by religious mythicists (the German Monist League).
true. All that emphasis on religion lead Couchoud to define "a bit pharisaic" Drews and Raschke. This easy recognition didn't prevent the same Couchoud from filling his books of claims of the kind "the true faith doesn't need a historical Jesus" et similia.
The fact, for me, is that the religion has a so great power that it will be forever instrumentalized, not only by the same religious, but even by who wants more or less secretly to destroy it.
Maybe Robert Price is right when he answered in an interview that the end of the Jesus myth will arrive only when the Western world will be entirely islamized.
ADDENDA: Probably he meant to say that only by examining Christianity through entirely foreign lens one can understand it objectively.
Ulan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:55 pm
As a reminder to everyone, not the least to myself, why engaging with John T isn't worth it, here a summary of a legendary exchange by Ben C. Smith: viewtopic.php?p=91803#p91803
"I am leaving this post here and bookmarking it in my browser as a reminder of your methods (if they can even be called such) the next time I am tempted to engage you on this forum. The last time you behaved this way you claimed that you were just imitating mythicists; but now it seems clear that this is par for the course for you; it is your standard behavior toward people who do not immediately agree with you."
Thank you for the reminder. Here is one back at ya.
Ulan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:44 am
I don't think we need to invoke Origen in order to understand that changing the text of gospels was done deliberately many times. In the beginning, those texts had nothing holy to them. They were just stories. Everyone who thought he understood the matter better than the author before him took the text and "improved" on it. Our three synoptic gospels are surviving examples of this process, and I doubt any of the three is the original source. You can still see the idea behind this at the beginning of our gLuke: the author informs us that he wants to set things straight. That's the reason why he sat down and edited the text, and his version had the luck to become canonical after the church had become more organized and felt the urge to standardize the texts.
For Ulan to arrogantly claim the New Testament were just made up stories, well that is not Biblical Criticism, mythicism perhaps but not Biblical Criticism and certainly not history.
Obviously, I touched a raw nerve with the mythicists on this thread. Strange how mythicists have no problem on this forum criticizing Christian denominations, past or present, true or false. But criticize the mythicist true motives and lack of intellectual honesty, well that is forbidden on this forum just like Biblical Criticism and History.
neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:04 pm
Well, Brodie has a lot to say about his time as a Christian before he became a mythicist -- while still remaining a Christian.
Well, that false statement proves you don't know his complete history. Sadly, all you had to do was just a few minutes of research to know better.
That is why I insist when dealing with mythicists that the best argument be presented first with citations.
No more red herrings.
No more self-promotions.
Just the facts please.
In what way, according to you, is the statement false? Are you claiming that Brodie is not a Christian or something else?
