The Epistle Attributed to Jude

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The Epistle Attributed to Jude

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First, Ben Smith's table of a synopsis/comparison of Jude and 2 Peter

Interestingly, our earliest known manuscript/s of both Jude and 2 Peter is one manuscript, P72, from the late third or fourth century.

M David Litwa recently did a short video presentation about E.Jude on his Patreon. I gleaned or outright quote:

"The Greek of this epistle is very refined: very urbane. Full of all sorts of new words called hapux legomena/legomenon [I can't work out whether he said the singular or the plural]. That is, words never used elsewhere in the New Testament. Words characteristic of classical Greek and of a native speaker; not of a Galilean son of a carpenter [ie. a brother of Jesus] who had to learn Greek outside of the home, on the streets.

"This author lifts the veil on his pseudonymity1 when he looks back to a previous age in which there were apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ among whom he apparently does not include himself." Later Litwa says, "this is a second century epistle written by someone who is pretending to be a Jew from the first century."

Litwa dates E.Jude between 120 to 150 CE

He says "this is full-blown heresiology even though [the author] doesn't use the term ‘haraesis’.

"This author is writing a heresiological text and he sounds most like those earliest heresiologists, namely Justin, Hegesippus and Irenaeus."

1 This author is writing under a pseudonym: most likely to gain authority for his own brief epistle to address the situation of his time, while claiming the authority of the past.

On Jude's opponents: modern scholarly sentiment is that we can say pretty much nothing about them, because the accusations and the criticisms and the vitriol are all very, very stereotyped in general. But Litwa notes that, on occasion, the criticisms become very specific and the author drops hints of who he is really talking about.

At one point he calls them ‘reefs in your love feasts’ or 'your agape meals.' This is quite an insult: reefs here referring to hidden reefs that boats would knock up against unknowingly, ripping apart their hull and sinking the ship.

Now, if you look at the reception history. Clement of Alexandria, when you read his commentary on Jude, thought that Jude was referring to Carpocratian Christians (some of whom belong to Clement's own group). He says this also in the Stromata book three [where] he also reveals that the Carpocratians participated in love feasts [without explicitly calling them love feasts]

The second specific thing that Jude says against his opponents is that they are the animates. Paul classified people into animate and spiritual in 1 Corinthians 2:13 to 16. And Valentinians openly made a distinction between animate and spiritual people: the spiritual people were the enlightened ones, namely members of one's group :the animates were other Christians, basically, in simplified form.

Litwa notes that the Valentinians had a trifold class namely the fleshly, spiritual and the animate but he thinks that Isma Dunderberg "makes a good argument that basically the classification is binary in that it ends up that there's just more or less two groups of people: the saved and those who aren't."

Jude was turning the tables and saying that the Valentinians are animate, and that, although they claim to be spiritual, they in fact do not have spirit.

Jude also refers to his opponents following in the way or path, the hodos, of Cain. [Along] with Cain, he attacks other archetypal enemies grouped together: Sodomites in verse 7, and then both Korah and Cain in verse 11.

The only other co-location/collocation(?) of these specific enemies comes in the heresiological reports of Irenaeus against Pharisees where he argues against Christians who lauded Cain and, in addition to Cain, Korah and the sodomites (and Irenaeus) throws in Esau as well.

Litwa notes that these three enemy groups, Valentinians, Cainites, Carpocratians, were all Egyptian Christians.

And he notes that three Alexandrians, namely Clement of Alexandria, Origen and Didymus of Alexandria, all 'understood' Jude's citation of the argument of Michael the angel with the devil, over the body of Moses, came from the Assumption of Moses.

Furthermore, Jude 14-15 quotes 1 Enoch 1.9 as scripture:

Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him".

Hardly any other Christians or Christian texts cite 1 Enoch as scripture: Barnabas 4:3 and 16:5,6; and early Origen in First Principles 1.3 ie. when he was in Egypt (Tertullian, when he cites 1 Enoch, makes an apology: ‘you may not be familiar with this, but it is scripture.')

There was open skepticism about Jude’s authority in canonicity in the fourth century by Eusebius and Jerome. And, it wasn't canonized in the paschita, the Syriac version of the canon or NT.


Litwa notes
  • A recent commentary translated from the German by Jorg Frey:
    • ‘The Letter of Jude and the Second Letter of Peter’, 2018
  • An essay on Jude and heresiology by Frederik Wisse:
    • ‘The Epistle of Jude in the History of Heresiology,’ in Essays on the Nag Hammadi Texts, ed. Martin Krause (1972); 133-43
  • An article by Isma Dunderberg,
    • ‘Valentinian Theories on Classes,’ in a book called Zugange zur Gnosis, pp. 113-28
There's also a 2010 paper about Jude and its possible relationships with Irenaeus and the Gospel of Jude amongst other things:

Garry W. Trompf (2010) 'The Epistle of Jude, Irenaeus, and the Gospel of Judas' Biblica Vol. 91, No. 4: pp. 555-82


Abstract

A detailed case that the New Testament Epistle of Jude was written against the socalled Cainite sectaries, who were in possession of a Gospel of Judas as Irenaeus attests, is presented ... Because the names Judas and Jude were the same, the good name of Iouda, especially as being that of a relative to Jesus, needed clearing; and subversive teachings—making Cain, Judas and other Biblical figures worthy opponents of the (Old Testament) god—had to be combatted. Since a Gospel of Judas has come to light, within the newly published Tchacos Codex, one is challenged to decide whether this was the gospel appealed to by the Cainites, and, if it was, to begin to grasp how they read a text which did not readily match their interests.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/42615949?s ... b_contents

Full Paper available on Academia.edu here - https://www.academia.edu/30903088/The_E ... l_of_Judas


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MrMacSon wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 1:54 am
Now, if you look at the reception history: Clement of Alexandria, when you read his commentary on Jude, thought that Jude was referring to Carpocratian Christians (some of whom belong to Clement's own group). He says this also in the Stromata book three [where] he also reveals that the Carpocratians participated in love feasts [without explicitly calling them love feasts]

Trompf has this (single quotation marks / inverted commas added by me)


... knowing about the Cainites (Strom. VIII,1.7), Clement of Alexandria gets his exegetical orientation right in the first known commentary on Jude (bequethed to us only in Latin fragments), when he detects a connection with Judes meaning and Jesus' affirmation of his heavenly authority at the trial of Mark 14,62. When Jesus will be seated on the right hand of the virtues (("powers", rather too neatly translating the Greek dynameōs), He becomes the exalted Christ the new head of the santos angelos (Epist. Iud. Cath. v. 24).

Taking our cue from Clement, Jude's point is that the nature of the problematic group's slander inf celestial beings (doxas de blasphēmousin), of Michael especially, poses a threat to the Church's 'originally accepted' continuity between the Old and New Testament orders: for now an "abusive" 'new' cosmic picture allows dangerous dalliances with all those figurtes who once stood against the Lord of Israel (vv. 10-11).

https://www.academia.edu/30903088/The_E ... l_of_Judas, p.570



Are "the first known commentary on Jude (bequethed to us only in Latin fragments)" and "Epist. Iud. Cath. [+/- v.24]" the same thing?

What is "Epist. Iud. Cath." ?? Just the Epistle attributed to Jude? A Latin version?
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Giuseppe wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:01 am
But Michael, the archangel, when contending with the devil and arguing about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him an abusive condemnation, but said, “May the Lord rebuke you!”

(Judah 9)

It is a quote from the lost Assumption of Moses.


Accordingly:

Joseph of Arimathea == the Archangel Michel

Pilate == Satan.


From Trompf, 'The Epistle of Jude, Irenaeus, and the Gospel of Judas', 2010,


What is of great interest here is Jude's strong defence of the archangel Michael against the subversaries' apparent criticism of him, for, although Satan blasphemed against Moses (as the troublemakers in Jude's epistle also by inference were doing), Michael merely rebuked the Blasphemer.43

Jude's defence fits into the matrix...because Michael was so commonly used in Jewish Christian theology as the linchpin connector between Yahweh/Elohim/Adonai and Jesus as Messiah.

Michael was the guardian angel of Israel (as the abovementioned pseudepigraphical texts [Assump. Moses and 1 Enoch] attest) and Christ even becomes the 'great angel' substituting for Michael in various Jewish Christian post-biblical writings (from Hermes onwards).44

https://www.academia.edu/30903088/The_E ... l_of_Judas

43 The debate is not found in the extant version of Assump. Moses (cf. 10,1-2 for the only direct reference and an allusion to Micah as "the angel"). Yet c.f. Scholiast, in Novum Testamentum extra Canonem receptum (ed. A Hilgefield) (Leipzig 21984) I, 128, and for reference to a text of Assump. or Ascen. Mos. containing the relevant scenario, see Clement of Alexandria, In Epist. Iud. Cath. v, 9; Strom vi,5; Origen, De Princip. III, ii,1; Homil. in Josh. II,1. The number of scholars who assume the extant Assump. Moses without checking its contents is considerable.

44 See J. Danielou, The Theology of Jewish Christianity, (London 1964) 121-27 (referring to Christian pseudepigraphical data in 2 Enoch 22,4-9; Ascen. Isa. 22,6; Test. 5,6, etc.); cf. Assump. Moses 10,2.


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Though I don't have the volumes at hand, Epist. Iud. Cath. *may* refer to Cassiodorus' Latin translations of fragments
of Clement's Adumbrations (or Commentaries) on Catholic Epistles, including Jude.
*Maybe* in the edition "GCS, 17² (O. Stählin, 2da ed.: L. Früchtel (+) et U. Treu 1970) p. 203-215"
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https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0211.htm
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StephenGoranson wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:13 pm
Though I don't have the volumes at hand, Epist. Iud. Cath. *may* refer to Cassiodorus' Latin translations of fragments of Clement's Adumbrations (or Commentaries) on Catholic Epistles, including Jude.

*Maybe* in the edition "GCS, 17² (O. Stählin, 2da ed.: L. Früchtel (+) et U. Treu 1970) p. 203-215"

ET at: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0211.htm

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Just pining in to say nice thread MrMacSon. Enjoying reading it, going through the sources too.

I'll try to form some thoughts later. Hadn't considered Alexandrian origins, but that does seem to fit. Irenaeus probably should not know about it unless his writings are in fact 3rd century.

My only other off the top of my head comment is generic about pen names on epistles. Motives for use vary. The very earliest letters in circulation probably didn't have appellation. I'll read up on Jude before a say more.

Again thanks for this thread.
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Good podcast touching very similar points

https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/bo ... tyiHzqJVK/
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In a multi-author book, Perceiving the Other in Ancient Judaism and Early Christianity, 2017, (Tübingen, Mohr Siebeck GmbH & Co. KG, ed. by Michal Bar-Asher Siegal, Wolfgang Grünstäudl, and Matthew Thiessen), Wolfgang Grünstäudl has a chapter-essay, 'Instant Polemics: Use and Reuse of Charges against Others in Early Christianity', which a review says "examines the harsh, if opaque, polemic of the epistle of Jude, as well as its 'intensive' reuse in some New Testament books and Clement of Alexandria, concluding with some brief remarks on how polemic texts like Jude can be used today."
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An interesting read. There's this footnote [8] on p.557 which provides a cautionary message:
[8] The identity of the text preserved in the Tchacos Codex with the Gospel of Judas mentioned by Irenaeus should not be taken for granted.
Just being cautious but if Irenaeus is not in fact our earliest witness for the Gospel of Judas in the Tchacos codex then who is next earliest witness? IDK atm.


There's also this footnote [30] on p.565 which says:
[30] As with the rest of Irenaeus’ text, we are indebted to a Latin version of
Theodoret’s Haeret. Fabul. Compend. I, 15) for reconstructing the Greek.
Does anyone happen to know the name, and/or date of the earliest archetype manuscript for the text referenced in the footnote above?
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